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Let’s Re-Read New Moon Together! Chapter 15

by MrsEdwardCullen on November 10, 2009 · Comments

in New Moon Re-Read

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We are on Chapter 15 of our countdown that means 10, YES 10 more days until the release of New Moon.   Join us by reading a chapter a day together.  So in order to help pass the time while we wait for New Moon to be released, I will continue to post a thread everyday for each chapter in the book, counting down the days until the official release of the film on November 20th.

Chapter 15: Pressure

“It was spring in Forks again.  When I woke up on Monday morning, I lay in bed for a few seconds absorbing that.  Last spring break, I’d been hunted by a vampire, too.  I hoped this wasn’t some kind of tradition forming…”

Can you feel the intensity? Pressure is definitely the perfect name for this chapter.  Everything that happens is so surreal, let’s get right to it.

  • First of all, after all this time Mike Newton still won’t give it a rest, Bella doesn’t want you!
  • Jacob explains to Bella that all of their wounds heal at a rapid pace(which I think is way awesome)
  • I’d forgotten that Billy nearly ended up like Emily when Jacob first morphed into a wolf
  • We learn that Jake & Quil are actually second cousins
  • Pg. 348 This is the part that has me a little miffed.  When Bella spills the beans about the Cullens “extra talents” yes they were gone, and she never knew if they were ever going to return, but still it’s not your business to tell, and Jacob as her friend should’ve never asked her in the first place, because at this point it’s neither here nor there, what Alice, Jasper or Edward’s special talents are.
  • Pg. 358 Hallucinations are back yay!  “Bella.”  “Yes.”  “Don’t do this.” “You wanted me to be human…watch me.” “Please.  For me.”  “But you won’t stay with me any other way.”  “Please.”  And then I flung myself off the cliff.
  • Bella gives up and begins to drown

I’m really shocked that Bella actually jumped off the cliff.  It’s so not…Bella.  She’s just not that gutsy or adventurous to me.  I think it’s an excellent representation of just how desperate she is for any piece of Edward she can get a hold of…even if it entails jumping off a cliff into ice cold waters… *sigh*

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  • Better late than never!!!!!!!

    Loved Veggie's slant on this chapter!!!!! <3

    Snowy excellent synopsis as usual, thought about a career change darling?????????<3

    Just wanted to make one little point that helped me think about how Bella sees her world and why she reacts as she does:

    I tried not to think about the danger Jacob and his friends were in. Because nothing could happen to Jacob. The thought was unendurable. I'd lost too much already - would fate take the last few shreds of peace left behind? That seemed unfair, out of balance. But maybe I'd violated some unknown rule, crossed some line that had condemed me. Maybe it was wrong to be so involved with myths and legends, to turn my back on the human world. Maybe.....
    No. Nothing would happen to Jacob. I had to believe that or I wouldn't be able to function.

    Ohh the wolves are becoming awesome now!!!!!!!
  • ICB *Sethward Saves the Day*
    isn't this the first time she sees a flash in the water of Victoria...? I remember her mentioning an orange speck or flash in this chapter right after she hits the water... i wonder if they will add that to the movie...i guess its a really small detail tho...
  • Kimoppi
    This was another chapter that hit too close to home for me. That odd feeling of isolation and then the cliff jump... AND GIVING UP! I was so upset I had to stop reading because my tears made the words too blurry. But Jacob being the hero was so sweet it kind of soothed everything.
  • Shortyoa
    I think, in this book, Bella transforms into a new and different person, as a result of E's departure, but I think also that Jacob nurtures, if not unleashes her wild side. I was not surprised to see her jump, something that, I believe, she would have never done in Twilight.
  • EverySingleDayOfForever
    The first part half of the chapter was a great view of how the relationship between Jacob and & Bella had evolved yet again. I loved the new openness between them. You can feel the strengthened bond that both of them must feel now that they do not have anymore secrets. This part of the chapter however, is quickly overpowered.

    “Keep swimming!” “Don’t you dare give up!” “Fight!” “Damn it, Bella, keep fighting!” “No! Bella, no!”
    Goodbye, I love you, was my last thought.

    Where the hell is Edward?! Save her you @#$%^!
    Quickly begins re-reading Chapter 16.
  • ill_let_u_sign_anytime
    Ps: loved your comments (or should I say essays?) ;)
  • ill_let_u_sign_anytime
    I've read New Moon twice, but I couldn't stand to read all these chapters again, too painful...
    We'll meet on Chapter 17!
  • TeamKristen(L)RumpyPumpy
    ""No! Bella, no!"
    My ears were flooded with the freezing water, but his voice was clearer than ever. I ignored his words and concentrated on the sound of his voice. Why would i fight when i was so happy where i was? Even as my lungs burned for more air and my legs cramped in the icy cold, i was content. I'd forgotten what real happiness felt like."

    I love how she said, "i'd forgotten what real happiness felt like" even if Edward never came back and her and Jake were to fall in love, just knowing that Bella was never really happy, breaks my heart for her. Thats why, even when she falls in love with Jake and knows it, she can't not be without Edward.

    It's just impossible. This chapter, the cliff dive, and even if she is a turd for kissing Jake in Eclipse, showed me really how much Edward meant to her and how much it hurt her that he left. Without Edward she just isn't herself. She'd rather die knowing that she could listen to Edward in her thoughts her mind.

    Goodbye, i love you. Was my last thought. *sob*
  • team flippy
    *wipes tears*
    I can't wat to see this in the movie!!
    I hope they really make us cry in that scene!! xP
    Its sooo sad and touching and well written!! Gawsh i love SM!lol
  • Well_Good_Morning_Rob
    "Fight!" he yelled. "Damn it, Bella, keep fighting."
    Why?
    I didn't want to fight anymore. And it wasn't the light-headedness, or the cold, or the failure of my arms as the muscles gave out in exhaustion, tht made me content to stay where I was. I was almost happy that it was over. This was an easier death than others I'd faced. Oddly peaceful.
    ...
    Goodbye, I love you, was my last thought.

    ***
    Sooo sad. I don't think there is a girl out there who hasn't felt this way after a breakup, even if just metaphorically. This entire book tore me into pieces, shoved me back into those terrible memories of my own infamous breakup, as if it had just happened yesterday instead of five years ago.
  • Bellas<3SpiderFlippy -TeamJune
    Ok, I'm reading only this chapter tonight.
    I need to read Edward begging..
    This was (somehow) one of my favorite chapters in New Moon... Especially this part you quoted (including the part that you put in points..)
  • claracitti
    *IT WAS SPRING BREAK IN FORKS AGAIN. WHEN I WOKE UP on Monday morning,
    I lay in bed for a few seconds absorbing that. Last spring break, I'd been hunted by a
    vampire, too. I hoped this wasn't some kind of tradition forming.*
    Well Bella that's exactly a tradition...

    What I do like in chapter 15 is this conversation..:

    *"Is it really bad, Jake?" I asked anxiously, wishing I had some way to help him. "Are you
    miserable?"
    "No, I'm not miserable," he told me. "Not anymore. Not now that you know. That was hard,
    before." He leaned over so that his cheek was resting on top of my head.
    He was quiet for a moment, and I wondered what he was thinking about. Maybe I didn't
    want to know.
    "What's the hardest part?" I whispered, still wishing I could help.
    "The hardest part is feeling… out of control," he said slowly. "Feeling like I can't be sure of
    myself–like maybe you shouldn't be around me, like maybe nobody should. Like I'm a
    monster who might hurt somebody. You've seen Emily. Sam lost control of his temper for
    just one second… and she was standing too close. And now there's nothing he can ever do to
    put it right again. I hear his thoughts–I know what that feels like…
    "Who wants to be a nightmare, a monster?
    "And then, the way it comes so easily to me, the way I'm better at it than the rest of
    them–does that make me even less human than Enbry or Sam? Sometimes I'm afraid that I'm
    losing myself."
    "Is it hard? To find yourself again?"
    "At first," he said. "It takes some practice to phase back and forth. But it's easier tor me."
    "Why?" I wondered.
    "Because Ephraim Black was my father's grandfather, and Quil Ateara was my mother's
    grandfather.*
  • Chel*Team Vets*
    aww man i'm listening to the New moon audiobook right now and i'm on the Break up scene AGAIN i can't handle this theres tears on my keyboard *sniffs*
  • Tiffys17
    Hearth Breaking... i know ..
  • Chel*Team Vets*
    i dunno why i'm putting myself through it AGAIN i've already re-read it i should have skipped this chapter
  • Tiffys17
    Wow i really liked this chap (and i know i said the same thing bout the last ones, but is just that, the las time i read NM i wasnt as trilled as i am now, maybe is because im reading it with all of you amazing people....
    So im loving it so much for the first time, i saw recently a interview of Rob on CNN, and he said that NM was the most inspiring book, i thought is interesthing comment, now i see what he meant.

    But anyways, i really fell sorry bout Mikey, poor boy he just doesnt get it!!
    But i think hes really cute though.
    I liked too that theres no secrets betwen them but i didt liked either that she just said everything bout the Vamps it just felt wrong.

    I loooved how Jacob and Bella know each other so well....

    And then, the Cliff diving, WELL theres no words to explain this better than the people above, and SM of course, cant wait for tomorrow.
    See you soon Alice.... Yay

    i loved the comments by VegetarianVamps and Snowyhedwig, lovely, such good reviews.
  • I've made it no secret that I hated this book, but it's because of you all that im able to get through it without any issues lol , YOU GUYS ARE MY THERAPY MAN!
  • Tiffys17
    u know i did hated the first time too... is just that in Twilight is all bout Edward and then he LEAVES???
    But now that we know he comes back i think, we see it from a diferent perspective and we get to like Jake, the way SM wanted to.
    Although i still miss Edward....
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    i DEFINATELY agree. this is the 4th time im reading it and i cant believe how much more i am enjoying it. just gets better the mroe and mroe i read it. i think because i know edward is coming back and i really get into the werewolf storyline. maybe because all the media and everything and the focus is on jacob and taylor lautner, i can just really get into the book because i picture how tayloir will portray the parts of the book i am reading. if that makes sense haha
  • FTW - Mrs. Tyler Hawkins
    The cliff dive!!!! Ahhh we are so close to Alice I can taste it!
  • 2 more chapters!! thursday is our time!!
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    its soooo hard to just close the book after 1 chapter a day !! haha
  • One week before NM and we will have ALice back!! :)
  • yayyyyyyyyyyy
  • Bellas<3SpiderFlippy -TeamJune
    Oh, the Edward hallucination in this chapter is my favorite..
    And when she thinks "You wanted me to be human? Watch me" (or something like that, I don't have my book near me)..
    And Edward begging her to swim and to try to stay alive...
    I have re-read this chapter so many times..
    I think at the first time I even cried..
  • Tiffys17
    Agreed, this was the best hallucination so far...
  • Prislovesteamrobsten
    First post, I completely agree:)
  • Lovely! Can't wait!
  • Chel*Team Vets*
    I'm being very lazy i can't sit here reading all the new posts and read NM so i downloaded the audio book is that terrible of me??? *eyes everyone questioningly*
  • Well_Good_Morning_Rob
    No. You're efficient. :o)
  • Chel*Team Vets*
    why thank you :D
  • yasmin1028
    I so agree about the fact that Bella shouldn't have revealed the talents that the Cullens have. Yeah she thought they were gone forever, but still she shouldn't have told their business like that. That was very wrong on her part.
  • red_sea
    It's one of the few things she does right (though probably for the wrong reasons). The lives of the humans the werewolves are trying to protect are a lot more important than a bunch of absentee vampires.
  • Crap I'm late today LOL.... here are my thoughts for today! =D And I really tried to make today's shorter! enjoy....

    *starts humming Twilight Zone theme music* Talk about a sickening sense of deja vu!! I had forgotten that bad-evil-trying-to-kill-her vampires always come after her this time of year. *crosses Bella off who to invite for spring break list* Bella is definitely one person we should never plan to be around during spring break unless we are 1) a vampire, 2) a werewolf, or 3) an immediate family member totally oblivious to the situation i.e., Charlie.

    I love Mike Newton's comment after he notices Jake coming to work with Bella everyday.
    Pg. 343 "Are you dating that kid from La Push?" ... "He's my best friend." Mike's eyes narrowed shrewdly. "Don't kid yourself Bella. The guy's head over heels for you." "I know," I sighed, "life is complicated." "And girl's are cruel," Mike said under his breath.
    You hit the nail on the head with that one Mike. I had one of my many "Good grief Bella!" moments in this chapter. The way she keeps holding his hand strolling on the beach leading him on just aggravates me. She knows what he wants but claims to not want more but lets him go ahead and do it anyway. Uggghh. All things considered, she could have waited until she actually knew she had feelings for Jake to show them instead. That would have been less painful for both of them in the long run.

    I absolutely LOVE the convo in the garage. It reminds us a little of pre-transformation Jake and Bella, just a little more intense. It also sounds quite like some of Bella's former conversations with Edward. "Who wants to be a nightmare, a monster," says Jake. And later he asks Bella to give him something else to think about so he doesn't flip out. =D
    And my favorite part is when he finds Bella's James bite. You can just hear the realization in Jake's voice when he says, "What's that? This is your funny scar, THE COLD ONE." *flashback to Quileute legend* Can't you just picture the shock on his face when he puts those two things together?

    By the end of the chapter Bella was back to bordering on the edge of her sanity.
    Pg. 352 But it had been days since I'd heard Edward's voice. That was probably part of the problem. I was addicted to the sound of my delusions. It made things worse if I went too long without them. Jumping off a cliff was certain to remedy that situation.
    And oh my gosh she actually had a conversation with her delusions. "You wanted me to be human, I reminded him. Well watch me." *shakes head* Oh, Bella..... lol
  • AngelStartedMeONVamps
    Thanks for another lovely post! I absolutely love reading your posts! They make me think about things in a different way than I do when I read the book!
  • Awww thanks!!! I really appreciate it!
    *gives Angel big hug* =D
  • AngelStartedMeONVamps
    You're welcome!! I'm now addicted not only to the books, but to you and Snowy's posts.
    *gives Veggie big hug back*
  • hey!!! I been looking for ya
  • Thanks!! I was a little slow on the post today. I was a bit distracted lol. So when are we having the NMM.org Emmy's? I'll need to remind Snowy to write her acceptance speech for Best PrimeTime =D
  • "A date with Jacob, a date with Edward... I laughed darkly to myself"
  • mAriE_KStew'sMyCherryBomb~6/09
    oohhh..... i love this line! thanks! soo awesome! ^_^

    *starts to sing*
    "im flirt..."

    ^_^
  • WerewolfGirl16
    I haven't even started re reading the book yet and ya'll are already on chapter 15?!?!? lol I guess I'll have to speed read, or just go see the movie that comes out in 10 days!!! :)
  • Aw man I haven't even started lmao!
  • mAriE_KStew'sMyCherryBomb~6/09
    8th?

    EDIT: &$^& -- tee hee.. i dont know what number am i.. hehehe

    woohoo! cliff diving time !!! good times.... ^_^

    and yes, Mike for the 98636948264th time, Bella doesnt want u! go figure!

    but i love mike of course... ^_^

    *runs off to read chapter 17*

    ooh! alice! there u are! awesome! ^_^
  • HEY not without me!!!!!
  • mAriE_KStew'sMyCherryBomb~6/09
    hahahaha. *facepalm* of course! this wouldnt be possible if not for u too MEC!
    *claps hands for MEC*
    kudos to u!!! keep it up!
    *whispers*
    cant wait for chapter 17... ^_^
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    *skips to Chapter 17*
    *looks up*
    Oh! What!? We're not on Ch. 17 yet?!?

    *mutters as she flips back to Ch. 15*
    Well, fine then... not letting a girl see her bff... what a bunch of....

    Bella pissed me off when she told the "Cullen Secrets" to Jake and the wolf pack.. GRRR.. just because hes *sobs* gone.. doesnt mean you CAN spill the beans to the enemy...
  • THANK YOU! my point exactly, this bella needs some serious social skills
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    Hi4 girl!!
    That was not nice... not cool at all!!

    By the way... do you have anything... um shorter to call you? You see, Im a nick-name giver but I have NO idea what to call you?!? lol
  • they all seem to call me MEC lol for the longest i was like who the hale is that MEC person?? but my nick name is Bashy!
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    lol
    Bashy it is... if you dont mind, of course.. =P
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    Ugh...don't get me started on Bella!
    She's a hopeless mess in this book...she has no identity!
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    *rolls eyes*
    I was seriously hurt and pissed when Jake was asking her about it and when she told him, just like that, about my Cullens.. I mean wtf!?? Seriously? You DONT do that no matter if you think they're gone *sniff* for good.. you just dont!!
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    i defs agree. she told jacob about the cullens special gifts without fail and yet when alice comes into it in like a chapter or 2 (WOOOOOO CANT WAIT) she hesistates when she goes to tell alice that jacob is a werewolf.
  • Ashley
    you have to think about the situation through bella's perspective though. not only did she loose edward she lost all of them and she doesnt believe that alice's back for good. you also have to think about the fact that bella believed edward when he told her he didnt love her anymore so why should she expect anything more from the rest of the cullens? she has always been able to depend on jake, so i can see why she is able to be so honest with him while hesitant with alice. im a vamp girl but i feel like i can really understand how bella feels and why she isnt able to ever fully let go of jacob.
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    yeh but as soon as jacob asked bella, she answered

    when alice came back she was hesitant in telling her that jacob was a wolf
  • red_sea
    She didn't tell Jake when he confronted her in the forest, or later in her room.

    She didn't hesitate at all in telling Alice, but she instantly betrayed Jake's secret without so much as waiting til she could ask him about it because she's so pathetically desperate around the Cullens.
  • red_sea
    Bella kept the Cullens secret for months.
    She spilled her guts to Alice a few minutes after she walked in the door.
  • red_sea
    It''s one of the few times I wasn't pissed with Bella.

    The werewolves are risking their lives to protect ALL the humans (something the Cullens never bothered with). They need whatever information they can get.
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    I know. I know.
    I understand that she was hurt and lost, but there is a line...and she definitely crossed it.
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    Most def. she crossed it....
    *sighs*
    What are we to do? She IS Bella afterall!!
  • I will read chapter 17 tonight if it's the last thing I do LOL. I can't stand it anymore. While I was mad at Bella for spilling the beans about the Cullen secrets, I can understand why she did. She thought they were never coming back and Jake already knew that they were vampires. I guess she thought it was harmless.
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    Ha! Nobody can resist Alice's charm!! I <3 her!! I was too damn giddy when i realized it was her that had come back.. it was like OMG, NO WAY!! and yea... I'm in my 20s but I still act childish =P

    Oh I understand that she thought they werent coming back, BUT still... I personally believe that she shouldnt have said it.. just like she shouldnt have told Jake's "secrets" to Alice (squee) when she came back... Those werent her "secrets/talents" to tell !!
  • I'm 25 so I know exactly what you mean!! LOL... I agree she shouldn't have told the secrets.. not cool Bella (Chapter 15 is my I can't stand Bella chapter by the way)
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    In that case, Hi4 girl!!!
    I know that there are a lot of people who dislike Bella but Im not one of them. I can understand getting upset w/her and even getting frustrated w/her BUT... she was broken... she was lost.. she was confused... she's only human and she made mistakes... sorry, I could go on but I'd much rather look out for your sanity than read my comments =P
  • Yeah I'm totally in that category myself. I love Bella but she frustrated me so much in this chapter lol. I get that she was totally devastated and not herself for awhile and that she behaved a little unnaturally. I can forgive her for those things though. I mean come on we all have moments we wish we could erase or do over!
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    EGG-xactly!! Thats my point. She did cross the line in some cases.. but I was never too hard on her like a lot of readers are! Im her, in a strange way, so I think that I JUDGE her the way I judge myself on some instances BUT I also know that we're human and we can be forgiven and loved... umm do I sound weird defending a fictional character?!
    *looks around*
  • I think the reason we all get defensive over Bella is that we all feel like we are her. SM definitely makes you insert yourself where Bella is and you live everything along with her.
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    You said it, girl! I think thats true.. even though the Queen Bee says she doesnt see herself in Bella at all.. I think she knew that there would be many girls out there that would be able to relate to some extent!
  • I guess it's different with us since we didn't write the thing lol. There are a lot of things that I can't relate to with Bella but there are also lots I can. And I think everyone can pick at least one thing in common with her, and that's really all you need to be sucked in. =D
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    True.. true!!
    ... ONE of my things is.... yea um.. I am a bit clumsy... I think "I" need that bomb-protection-car that Edward wanted for Bella!!! Muahaha!
  • LOL What I wouldn't give for that car!! My family even has a name for our inherited clumsiness... pretty embarassing actually LMAO But instead I'm thinking of renaming it the Swan Disease lol...
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    Lol OMG I love the renaming it part!! Go for it.. I just call it being Bella which says nothing to ppl that have NO idea abt Twilight!!

    =( I wish MY clumsiness was inherited... I've got NOBODY to blame...
  • From now on just tell them you have Swan Disease LOL and leave it at that.... =D
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    *giggles*
    I like it... I will make use of that....
    ;-)
  • Yeah I'm definitely going to start spreading that one around like crazy LOL
  • Gaby Steward 04/09
    Hahaha Woman * fist bumps *

    I skipped to 20th actually, LOL I needed my Edward !!!
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    *chest bump*
    H4 donk.... err Gaby!! Tee hee I ALWAYS check my book to make sure Edward "hasnt left" from CH. 20.. ya know? Just to make sure... I <3 him!
  • Gaby Steward 04/09
    * facepalms *

    I didn't cheat the 1st time I read NewMoon, but last night I didn't want to put myself back to that stage again, so LOL
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    ... so.. you cheated... tee hee!!
    *shrugs*
    Its ok love.. we ALL did it at some point!! We're only human.. we're too weak and give in to what our hearts ask us for... in this case EDWARD and Alice and the rest of my Cullens =P
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    LOL, oh Ceci, hon, just two more days, OK? Take a deep breath... ;)

    Yeah, I missed that in my commentary... they weren't her secretes to tell, good call!
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    *hugs*
    *breathing*
    I'll be alright... I CANT guarantee though that I wont skip..
    *shrugs*
    Alice is MY bff in my head.. I <3 her!!

    I know, right?! Silly Bella, Cullen secrets/talents arent for you to tell!!
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    LMAO - I said Twix instead of Kix... I think I've been eating too much Halloween candy! :D
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    *facepalm*
    LMAO You are on a roll making me laugh today... hand over the candy woman.. all you need is milk, cheese and ice cream.. tee hee!
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    NOOOOO!!!! I neeeeeeed it....

    *takes a deep breath*

    OK, I have a compromise... I'll give you the cheese, you let me have chocolate. Deal? Please? ;)
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    But.. but.. I really dont like cheese... lol!!!
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    see, that's precisely my problem. Cheese on pizza, processed cheese, cheese in omelettes, grilled cheese sandwiches, all OK.... but I'd MUCH rather have chocolate... ROFL
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    LMAO
    *facepalm*
    I prefer chocolate over cheese ANY day!!
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    *snort* Twix rabbit is now running through my head, with Bella hair... thanks! :D
  • mAriE_KStew'sMyCherryBomb~6/09
    oooh.. i was reading nm earlier and i was at chapter 15 and man! my eyes are like bouncing like bunnies! i was like "i have to get to chapter 17 now!"

    so the bouncing end up to chapter 17! good times.... ^_^

    yeah. i was pissed at bella for that too. squealer! *rolls eyes* and yes, i agree. she practically exposed the cullens' souls there.. pfft.

    ^_^
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    *giggles*
    "Bouncing like bunnies" how adorable are you!?!?
    I know.. out of all the chapters before getting to Edward *sighs* THATs my fave!!

    I HEART Alice!!
  • mAriE_KStew'sMyCherryBomb~6/09
    *blushes*
    aww... thanks Ceci! i try... u know.. hehehe ^_^

    me too! well anything with edward in it is my fave! *giggles*

    *in drew barrymore's voice in 50 first dates*
    nothing beats edward cullen..

    hihihihi. i heart alice too! our ultimate bff! love her to death!!! ^_^
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    LMAO!
    (I skipped to 17 last night...I NEED Alice to come back!)
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    *giggles*
    YOURE my partner in Chapter-17-Alice-Bringing-Back-Crime!!!
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    Yes!
    That's why I knew EXACTLY what you were talking about!
    I swear everytime I read that part, the sun comes out and birds start to sing!
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    *hugs*
    I LOVE ya Patz!!
    Tee hee I KNOW!! Do you think Im crazy that when the 1st time I read NM, my heart was beating like crazy 'cause I JUST wanted to know who the HALE it was!?! I KNEW it would be one of my Cullens... Carlisle? No... had to be someone closer to her... EDWARD!!! My heart accelerated & I read like crazy to find that my beloved ALICE had come back!!

    I kid you not.. I wish I could have jumped into the book like a 5 yr old and hug the living (no pun intended) crap outta her!!
    I <3 Alice!!
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    The first time I read New Moon I was on the train to visit my mother. I got to that part and literaly made a spectacle of myself in front of the whole train car! I think I was even happier than Bella was to see her! I jumped up and practically yelled - OMG Alice is baaack! Then I realized where I was, blushed furiously and sat back down. LOL!
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    LOL
    You know what?!?! I DONT think you're crazy at all for reacting THAT way... I think we become SO engrossed in the books that we rarely pay attention to our surroundings.. at least thats what I do/feel.. especially the 1st time we read them!! Tee hee like you said, the birds sang and the sun shone bright in the sky once I realized it was Alice... I squeee so loud and hugged my book to my chest since, obviously, I couldnt hold her like Bella...
    *kicks pebbles*
    Lucky Bella...
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    You know, I think I might have hugged my book too! LOL!
    I finished New Moon so fast that I made my mother run out with me to go by Eclipse....
    I spent the whole weekend reading the saga when I was visiting my mother. Luckily for me she's a huge reader and didn't take offense. She couldn't have pulled me from it anyway even if she tried!
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    Haha I dont doubt you at all!! Those that DIDNT hug their NM book when Alice came back ARE the crazy ones, not us.. nope!!!

    Aww how sweet. Im sure your mom understood... has she read them, by the way? Theres NO way that I could get my mom to read them...
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    I tried to get her to read them, but she flat out refused. I have a feeling that even if she read them, she wouldn't like them. *shrugs*
    She is not part of my twi-world...she doesn't even know what a twihard is let alone that her daughter is one! LOL!
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    Lol... same here!! I tried ONCE.. she's Mexican, by the way. I told her that I could get her the Spanish versions (which suck, or so I've heard) and she was like "no" This was a year ago and she STILL rolls her eyes at me when I get excited... LOL My mom KNOWS Im a TwiHard....
    *facepalm*
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    My mother (G-d bless her) is so judgemental that I don't even want to tell her how into this stuff I am - she'll think I'm NUTS! I have my hubby...and you guys (of course!), for Twi-love and support!
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    Aww well thats ok love... as you said, you have US and your hubby for suppo---- wait, WHAT!?! Your hubby actually supports this?!? Holy wow... that's great!!
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    Yes...I am a lucky girl! He fully supports my obsession with Twilight AND Rob for that matter! He has coined a phrase for me and other married TwiHards...TwiWife. Que Cute, no?
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    Awww that is the cutest thing I've heard of a hubby to my TwiGirls... how sweet!! Is he adorable to you, or what?
    You lucky girl... I guess Im lucky Im single.. I'd probably run that moffo out in a jiffy w/all my TwiLove!!
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    LOL! Well I support his quirks too, so it's an even split.
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    Aww thats too cute... I <3 hearing positive TwiLoveStories... unlike other hubbies that talk crap about Rob and roll their eyes.. pfft Haters!
  • geminiheartmk
    Top 10!

    Ah, the chapter with the cliff dive. Can't wait to see that in the movie! It looks wicked awesome in the trailer!!
  • so many posts in so little time...i feel like im bouncin frm one to another

    edit---
    so, the cliff diving chapter. but b4 all that i hated the way bella and jacob were always holding hands. it was kind of like she was leading him on...which only brought on more heartbreak in eclipse.
    Edward's back!! yay! which means more hallucinations and bella almost drowning (i wish i had my book w/ me so i could pull out some quotes)
  • AnnieAnde
    • Jake and Bella holding hands. Really? I am amazed at how Bella sees nothing wrong with this. That the way it looks on the outside doesn’t matter because Jake knows the truth. Sweetheart, if Jake really knew, without shadow of a doubt, that you didn’t want him, he’d leave. But you do want him, so he’s staying. Even when you won’t admit it. Because actions speak louder than words, so even when you say, “I don’t want a relationship”, you are still acting as if he’s your boyfriend. Even Mike, with all his ineptitude, has said something. If it looks that way, it is that way whether you say it or not. I think it’s cruel and mean and Mike is right for once. (I just shuddered in saying that and now I need to take a shower because Mike is one of those characters that gives me the hebies. I don’t know why but in my mind he’s a perv. Maybe it is because he’s human and obsessed. I give allowances to mythical creatures for some reason.)
    • I love the part in the car when she’s explaining the hole aloud for the first time. Stephenie explained it before, but now for her to actually say it aloud makes it more real for me. Now that she’s admitting it to Jake, it makes it more tangible and more insane. I also, love Jake’s reaction to her scar when he really finds out what it is and what Edward did. Now he’s really grasping how insane Bella’s love for Edward is, that even though she has almost died once already she’s still more broken over Edward than she’d ever be for him. His shaking in the car speaks volumes to me. I see more love in that for some reason.
    • I really feel for Jake in this chapter. His fear and pain in the transformation, his love for Bella, his determination to end Victoria. Losing sleep, trying to stay awake for Bella and be there for her. Everything. I’m so Team Jacob for this reason. He is sacrificing so much for her, trying so hard. Poor boy never had a chance.
    • I really feel for Bella when Jake finds her on the beach curled in a ball. If I were her friend, I’d have to say, I’d be putting her on suicide watch right about now and it would be justified because…
    • Cliff Diving. Oh sweet Mary, really? By yourself? This is where she lost me. Yes, hearing Edward’s voice up until now has been relatively harmless (save for some unfortunate motorcycle accidents and if her luck wasn’t so bad a minor trek into the woods) but this has dropped her off right into Crazyland. I can see why in the rest of the series everyone thinks she was trying to kill herself because in a way I think she was. Not blatantly, but in some underlying subconscious way. The decision to go off that cliff was suicidal. She knew it was the most dangerous thing she’d ever tried, but she did it anyway. She scaled the danger up so far she almost died. And the way she gives up in the water… She didn’t want to live. She was happier dying than she was living. That’s the mark of a truly suicidal person. When the thought of dying is a release. That’s the part where I stopped identifying with Bella and started worrying about kids reading this book…

    P.S. Now, I realize I may have offended some people here by saying kids, but I mean that in a truly emotional developmental sense. I stopped being a kid a 6, some people stop at 40. It is all in how you understand the world and I grew up too early and knew about death too soon. Some people don’t know that being a teenager isn’t the end of the world. There are years and years after the teens that are beautiful and worth living to get to. Kids don’t know that there is life beyond the here and now, and sometimes that makes me worry.
  • TeamSwitzcob (TRotation/Meg)
    Very well said! I forgot about Mike even commenting on it... and doesn't Bella refer to Jake as her quasi-boyfriend anyway? How cruel. :(

    Love the part where Jake discovers what happened with the scar. And that whole conversation. And as far as Bella spilling the Cullens' secrets, well, she probably shouldn't have.. but then again, what would it have mattered? I mean they can't change the fact that Edward can still read their minds. I mean, sure, Alice can't see futures in regards to them, but they still have Edward. So I dunno.. :;shrug::


    Yeah, I do feel bad for Bella, too, walking alone on the beach and Jake finding her curled up in the sand. And as for the cliff dive... I kind of agree there, too. She claimed she wasn't trying to commit suicide, but she certainly didn't think and certainly didn't put up a fight for other people who love her. I feel very sorry for her, but come on. And yes, not a great message to pass on to kids.
  • Wolfi ♥(TEAM LEAH &TOMBAH)
    *stands up and applauds..*

    well said hun..perfect i agree..and Bella disappointed me at the end of that chapter!... that was a very stupid act, i think she understood that right after she was pulled..she understood how selfish her act was. i think she has become addicted to the voices, and she would do anything to hear them..its come to a point where it almost hurts more when she doesnt hear his voice!
  • mAriE_KStew'sMyCherryBomb~6/09
    i agree with u about the jacob and bella relationship. for short, (for me) she's giving him mixed signals.

    totally pissed me off on how bella acts. really, really, really selfish of her. and it's not enough for me that she knows and admits it to herself. i want some action dude! if she doesnt want to be selfish , then let jacob go right? and she wonders why jacob is being friendlier like duh? thats bcoz u want him too! pfft.

    poor jacob.. although he likes bella and would anything for her, he was sucked into bella's twisted bubble. *sigh*

    ok. im ending this now.. hehehe. awesome insights! keep it up! ^_^
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    I love your comments about Jacob and his love for Bella. Bravo, I hadn't really looked at that as deeply as I should have. My comments give my thoughts about Bella, but I appreciate what you've said as well. Welcome to the mile-long post club! ;)
  • AnnieAnde
    I understand your position on Bella's giving up in the water to a point. What she was experiencing is called hypoxia. The lack of oxygen basically brings a delusion of euphoria. And yes, when she finally gives up at the end of the chapter this is true, but before that, she never really tries to fight it and that's what I'm talking about. She never really tried to breathe again and that is suicide. Both in the water and out...
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    someone else just put this into my head... it wasn't just physcial drowning, but emotional drowning as well... put it all together, and that's the choice she ultimately made. Do I agree with it? No, but then again, I've never been in her situation... and, suffering from depression for a long time, I can actually sympathize with her a little too well sometimes...
  • Hitchy
    Agree, yet again Snowy. People view depressed people as selfish, beacuse they see a lot of the self-destructive behaviour and they ask themselves "WTF, doesn't she know what she's doing to people when she hurts herself? Doesn't she know that won't help anything?"

    But, when you're drowning (emotionally) and each day is a fight to keep moving, when simple things in life get to be too hard, you can't see the big picutre. Just like Bella didn't think about the consequences to her actions until the day after Italy, when Edward was in her room and she thought she was dead, because he was there. "Oh CRAP, Charlie's going to kill me! And what about Renee or Jake..."
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    EXACTLY!



    LOL - so, what we're saying, is you need to be a manic-depressive to get Bella?

    *ducks for imending attacks* I just KNOW I'll have set some people off with that... but I'm not making a generalized statement, just saying what I know with my life. *looks around* - oh, look, here come the boys to take me away...
  • Hitchy
    No worries Snowy, they'll take you to a really nice place with soft walls and lots of fun "candy" to make you feel you better! Wonder if they have unicorn candy there? Hmmm, maybe Daddy C works at that hospital?
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    LMAO... as long as it's not xhock therapy, and daddy C is there, it's all good! ;)
  • Hitchy
    Although Daddy C and shock therapy in the same sentence could be a good thing...

    *wrenches mind out of gutter*

    Hmmmm, off to visit Snowy at the "hospital". Wonder if it's changed since I broke out.... oops, I mean got let out, yeah, that's it...
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    ROFL, come back here! *pulls hitch back into gutter* It's fun to hang out down here...
  • Hitchy
    *jumps into gutter with Snowy*

    OK! I really don't need that much encouragement ;-) Reading Eclipse right now... just read Compromise chapter.... yep, definetly in the gutter now!

    *dances around gutter holding hands with Snowy*
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    *hugs hitch* aw, I love dancin' with you! ;)
  • Hitchy
    ;-) thanks!
  • blackbeauty
    Very well thought out post. I too thought similarly of Bella's decision to cliff jump. Could she have not waited a little bit? She knew Jake would go with her...but her decision and then her totally giving up and being almost angry when Jacob pulled her away. And this is one of many times that I thought Jacob was way too good for Bella.

    Regarding the holding hands thing. I don't see relationships as black and white as many seem to do here. There are so many shades of gray to a relationship and Jacob and Bella were progressing further into the realm of being exclusive but it wasn't there yet. I feel that Jacob holding her hand can symbolize him pulling her forward...keeping her afloat if you will.
  • AnnieAnde
    I can see your point. The only thing I am mad at Bella about is leading Jake on. You know he wanted that to be the sign of the relationship, he wanted the affection, any affection she'd give him. He took it as progressing into the relationship and she sees it a confort and friendship. It is a mess and a little wrong, and if she wasn't so crazy, I be angrier.
  • Yes!! I so wanted to reach through those pages and slap Bella in the face!
  • Ditto!! Bella really p*ssed me off in this chapter.... quite a bit actually...
  • *applause for AnnieAnde* You my girl, are the business! I soo agree...CO-SIGN!
  • vampiresarecool84
    Haya sorry to bother you, but belladonna e-mailed me and asked me to let one of the mods know that she's having trouble accessing NMM.org. This has been happening for about a week now. She's from Tenesee if that makes any difference.

    Sorry for taking up your time,

    VaC84
  • MrsEC I totally agree with you that Bella is so not the cliff jumper type. I was completely shocked that she actually jumped. I knew right then that she had lost her mind! HAHA
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    3? LOL. First, lvoed your comments, good points! Second, sorry, it's my longest one yet...

    OK, so here’s some food for thought. There are a lot of parallels in the timeline between Twilight and New Moon – Bella mentions one when she’s speaking to Angela, about how it was exactly one year and a day since her first day at the school. I’ve been reading Dark Side of the Moon, by Blondie AKA Robin (rated Teen, and definitely a fascinating read – New Moon from Edward’s perspective) – she says, quote, “One anniversary that we didn’t see: March 16, 2005, the day Bella went to the ballet studio. What day did she jump off the cliff? March 16, 2006.” Very clever of SM, no?

    Bella’s thoughts about Jacob and their relationship. She admits to herself that she enjoys him holding her hand, but reassures herself, “As long as Jake and I knew hot it really was, I shouldn’t let those kinds of assumptions bother me.” At the same time, Mike is very observant, commenting that Jake is “head over heels for you.” Bella’s response, “I know, life is complicated.” Is met with a harsh statement, “And girls are cruel.” She thinks to herself, “I supposed that was an easy assumption to make, too.” Is she cruel? I don’t think she intends to be. I think she loves Jacob very much, but is not in love with him. It is easy to confuse the different kinds of love, and she is still so broken by Edward, can she really think this through clearly? There is definitely her “addiction” to him to take into consideration, as well. She freely admits that she needs him. So does she lead him on? I think that, to a certain extent, she does. But I don’t think she is “cruel” in a premeditated, vindictive way.

    Jake wanting to show Bella how quickly he heals – very funny, and such a guy thing, don’t you think? LOL! And he goes right from that to sharing his feelings about his first transformation, “You know what set me off? I got back from that movie and Billy said I looked weird. That was all, but I just snapped. And then I – I exploded. I almost ripped his face off – my own father!” his reaction to this thought is heartfelt, and I can appreciate his pain and despair at the very thought.

    Jakes commentary on what it is like to be a werewolf is very enlightening. He talks about the lack of control, and his fear of not being sure of himself. He mentions that it seems to come so easily to him, and that he is afraid of losing himself. He is still going through a huge adjustment, and I’m glad that he has the chance to talk to Bella about it.

    Another comparison between Jacob and Edward – Jacob loves speed – he says it’s the best part, and it reminds me of Edward’s love of running. When Bella explains her scar and how close she came to dying, SM once again reminds us of Edward. Jacob is literally trembling in his effort to keep in control, and he is actually shaking the car:

    “Careful, Jake. Easy. Calm down.”
    “Yeah,” he panted. “Calm.” He shook his head back and forth quickly. After a moment, only his hands were shaking.
    “You okay?”
    “Yeah, almost. Tell me something else. Give me something else to think about.”

    I am immediately reminded of a certain vampire who begs Bella to distract him as they race away from Port Angeles. As much animosity as Edward and Jacob have towards one another, they are extraordinarily similar in many ways.

    Once again, we see Jake’s perceptiveness in regards to Bella. “Why do you do that?” he asked. He tugged lightly at one of my arms, which was bound around my chest, and then gave up when it wouldn’t come loose easily. I hadn’t even realized I’d moved them. “You do that when you’re upset. Why?”
    “It hurts to think about them,” I whispered. “It’s like I can’t breathe… like I’m breaking into pieces…” … He smoothed my hair. “It’s okay, Bella, it’s okay. I won’t bring it up again. I’m sorry.”
    “I’m fine.” I gasped. “Happens all the time. Not your fault.”
    “We’re a pretty messed-up pair, aren’t we?” Jacob said. Neither one of us can hold our shapes together right.”
    “Pathetic,” I agreed, still breathless.
    “At least we have each other,” he said, clearly comforted by the thought.
    I was comforted, too. “At least there’s that,” I agreed.

    It is now 7 months since Edward left, and she is still broken. Yet, with Jacob, she feels comfort. It doesn’t remove the pain, but makes it endurable. I can see how it was easy for her to want to have him around to help make the hole endurable. It doesn’t make it right, but I can understand it. I can also appreciate her frustration at being along with Sam and Emily – facing everything she’d hoped to one day have with Edward would be exceedingly difficult.

    Jacob attempts to help distract her with the promise of cliff diving, but in a way this almost makes it worse. When she comes the next day, and discovers that Jacob is on the hunt for Victoria, now she has two problems. One is her fear for Jacob and the pack’s well-being. The other is that she has set an expectation of being able to find some relief in her hallucinations. Too much time on her hands to worry only increases that agitation. The weather increases the tension in nature around her, and I can imagine that her anxiety would become palpable at this point. When she decides to take action, I’m not really surprised.

    Is it a wise thing to do? No. But when you put things into context this way, it is easy to see how for her it was a logical course of action at that time. Her realization that she truly wanted to jump from the top just brings this home even more. The first time she saw the pack cliff-diving, and Jacob said he wouldn’t take her from the top, she said right out, “Fine. Not the first time, anyway.” She had always had the intention of jumping from the top at some point. Given her current state of mind, and her inability to find the path for the lower ledge, I wasn’t surprised at all that she went with the simpler option of just jumping from the top. It also stands to reason that it was easy for her mind to block out the inclement weather – that would just be another obstacle she’d rather not worry about.

    Edward’s voice is so soothing to her, and I can almost sense her relief physically when she hears it. Her internal discussion with him really brings home just how much she lives in these moments, how addicted she is to the hallucination. When she gets caught in the current and Edward’s voice continues to drive her to keep swimming, to not give up, she discovers that death this way would be easier.

    Now, a lot of people think she’s just deciding to kill herself. Having had my father nearly drown when he was Bella’s age, I can tell you from what he’s related to me, that this is NOT an uncommon thing for a swimmer to go through. You fight and struggle, and then you simply stop struggling. It’s easier to just let go and let the water win. For Bella, the added incentive of seeing Edward for the first time since she began the aural hallucinations, I can see how that lulled her further into her contentment, and loss of desire to fight. My dad told me about how there really was a sense of lethargic contentment, where he almost felt at peace, before his dog was able to pull him to shore. Given Bella’s state of mind, it makes me appreciate her thoughts.

    “Why would I fight when I was so happy where I was? Even as my lungs burned for more air and my legs cramped in the icy cold, I was content. I’d forgotten what real happiness felt like. Happiness. It made the whole dying thing pretty bearable.”

    SM leaves us with the image of the unyielding rock slamming into her like an iron bar, and her last thoughts are of her love. *sigh* how Romeo & Juliet is that? ;)
  • Shannonsparkles-Teambreakrecs!
    Thank you for these heartfelt and well thought commentaries on each chapter. You are awesome.
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    Aw, thanks. I'll be late posting on today's chapter - without internet access for the next 5 hours... :D
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    yeh you stated that comparison between jacob saying 'say something else to get my mind of it'- and she didnt really do a good job of it!! but when edward asked in ttwilight (in the car in port angeles), she did it was flying colours - she spoke about tyler crowley asking her to the dance.


    ALSO. is the ''unyielding rock slamming into her like an iron bar" really Victoria?
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    Um... nope, it's Jacob... sorry if I gave you that impression. My understanding is that it's Jacob pulling her out of the water...
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    ohhhk. yeh probabaly. i dont know why but i always thought it was victoria coz she was cold and hard and because we later find out that she was in the water at that same moment.

    i just cant wait to see that scene in the movie !!
  • Hitchy
    Snowy, your comment is HUGE, but it's all relevant and wonderful. It's nice to know people put a lot of thought into things sometimes!

    I completely agree with you. I was with Bella the whole way, including the cliff dive. It made sense (to her), and as I read, AS her, I felt it it was completely logical.

    If Rosalie had never made that call to Edward she would have kept pushing her limits, farther and harder, and evetually, I believe she would have ended up seriously hurt or dead. She needed him, he wasn't coming back, she did waht she could to keep going. Sounds crazy, but love's not logical, it's emotional....

    *high fives Snowy for giving such an insightful look at Chapter 15*
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    "and as I read, AS her..." yeah, that's exactly how I am reading this. I just get so into this - I swear, hubby must hate seeing me read the first 15 chapters of this, he must think I'm personally PMSing... *sigh*



    Thanks, I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt that way. "Love's not logical, it's emotional." AMEN. Truly, would I have deliberately married a man who is disabled and autistic if it were otherwise? Do I regret my decision? NEVER. And that's just the way it is...
  • Hitchy
    *holds Snowy's hand and sings "No Sound but the Wind from NM soundtrack*

    *sigh* I know, I can't seem to seperate myself from her as I read (even on my ba-gillionth time through). I keep re-reading thinking I might not agree with this decision eventually, but no, it always makes sense.

    And, yes, love is emotional. I look back at my relationship with my husband for the 7 years we dated before we got married and think "Wow, how could I not have known that you are a workaholic, and a complete mama's boy?" And then I think, well, even if I did know, would it have changed my decision? NO. He's not easy to live with, but I love him, and he loves me... and that's really all that matters anyway, in the end.
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    *hugs hitch with massive wolf-hug* (cuz those are way better than bear hugs....)

    yup. We do crazy things, but if they love us back, and we can hold hands through it, we tend to survive just fine! ;)

    It all works out for me in the end... hubby can't handle the mall on a normal day, never mind a day with screaming twi-fans... so he can't get too jealous, cuz he won't be there to see me make a fool of myself... LMAO
  • Snowy, I LOVE YOU!! Great words my dear, I loved all of it! This is by far one of the best chapters..I can't believe we are already at the cliff dive, then Alice on Thurday, the Italy, and then the movie!!!! :)
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    LOL - I think you missed a week in there somewhere, hon. I know you're excited, but it's NEXT Thursday, not this Thursday... :D
  • No, but Alice Thurday...movie next thursday. :)
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    oooooh... got you! ;)
  • Wolfi ♥(TEAM LEAH &TOMBAH)
    you need to write a book...i would soo buy it!!...

    this is beautiful..
    “Why would I fight when I was so happy where I was? Even as my lungs burned for more air and my legs cramped in the icy cold, I was content. I’d forgotten what real happiness felt like. Happiness. It made the whole dying thing pretty bearable.”

    i also dont think she wanted to die, she was just tired of fighting the current..she knew she was no match for it..it was to strong..much like her emotions, she was drowning in them and i can understand at that moment in time, she didnt feel any pressure, she felt contenta and at ease!..
  • enviro
    What I love in this part is when she is saying "Edward, Edward, Edward, I love you Edward" -- she may as well since she is dying, right. When I'm not reading NM I think of it as birthday, breakup, purgatory, reunion, great stuff. Then when I'm reading it during purgatory I think "well this is not so bad, lots of stuff is happening, really!" Then we get the Cullens back in the story and it goes up 3 levels in intensity, at least. You remember what you're missing. That's what this part is for me, the beginning of that -- even just in that little passage, a flash of the passion and intensity that will be imminent when she leaps, getting there when Alice (ALICE!) arrives, and then . . . but I'm getting ahead of myself!
  • ancha85
    Excellent comparison metaphor! I love it!
    The storm is just a physical manifestation of the "emotional storm" inside Bella.
    Poor, poor, Bella... sigh...
    I felt so sorry for her, and couldn't BELIEVE that she was sooo desperate to hear Edward that she was willing to jump off that cliff!!
    So sad...

    Thank God Jake was there to save her.
    Edward truly owes Jacob soo much.
    He would have come back to nothing.
    Either just emotional nothing, or both emotional AND physical nothing.

    Yes, Jacob and Edward hate each other for so long, because they both love Bella, but that love is ALSO, what brings them together.

    They fight the world to protect her and fight each other (mentally and emotionally) for her love, but Edward (being the more mature one) can start to understand Jacob, and truly starts to feel compassion for him.
    (It's also because Edward is much more sure who she is going to choose in the end.)

    Edward understands that it is his fault that the love triangle occured.
    So he begins to feel comradarie with Jacob, before Jake does, but Jake ends up feeling it, too. They both understand what it is to love her and to need to protect her.

    Their love for Bella is the force that binds themtogether in battling the world to protect her.
    They BOTH would do anything for her safety and happiness. Even work with the one who is trying take her love for himself.

    Yesterday, someone said that they hate the line in BD where Edward says
    "Goodbye Jacob, my brother, my son."
    The love they have for Bella, and eventually the love they have for Nessie AND for Bella, teaches them to respect and see each other as brothers in the same fight.

    For me personally, that is one of my FAVORITE lines in the whole Saga!!
    So bittersweet!! ...sigh... tear...
    I love Jake and Edward both!! (and Bella, too, of course!)
  • Wolfi ♥(TEAM LEAH &TOMBAH)
    i agree with the brother part... they were bound to be friends in the end..Edward ows everything he has to JAcob.... if it wasn't for jacob Edward would have nothing!!.... not alot of men wouldn't stick around and constantly help the girl who keeps breaking and towing with his heart...and also help a sworn enemy everytime they were in trouble..

    yes jacob is immature at times but edward knows he ows JAcob his life, his heart, his family and his home..i wouldn't be suprised if Edward would sucrifise himself to save Jacob at some point if he ever needed it...so he sees Jacob as a brother, and a friend.
  • ancha85
    And what is so cool is that Jake eventually feels the same about Edward. If these two can come to respect and care about each other, it gives me hope!
    I wish the real world would be the same! Hopefully, sometimes it is!!
    I have read fan fics that talk about how Edward HATES that Jacob and Reneesme will eventually be together, which is ridiculous. Right after her birth he tells Bella that Reneesme could do a lot worse!
    Of course, there would be a lot of uncomfortable moments between those two as Nessie got older, but it would be soo fun to read! I wish SM would write a Nessie/Jake book!
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    oooh... emotional AND physcial drowning - nice imagery!
  • The Popper
    are u still pouting my lil owl?
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    *sniff* only a little bit...



    LOL - TSO filled me in on the poop shamanties... TOO FUNNY!! You were so kind to carry her through the car wash... ;)
  • The Popper
    .. i gotta do what i can.. lol..
  • Tiffys17
    Yes!! is so Romeo & Juliet....
    This was the most recklest thing she could have done.......
    Her last though was so heartbreaking
    i dont get how she didnt thought of Charlie not once.
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    You know, I never even realized that! OK, that just lends credence to my "she wasn't trying to commit suicide" theory. She was only playing at life because of Charlie to begin with, and is always concerned about his safety... she truly did not see jumping from the cliff as a life-ender. Good eye! :D
  • red_sea
    How does not thinking of Charlie translate iunto not being suicidal?

    She's in denial about being suicidal because she realizes that would make her a selfish person because of Charlie.
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    In my mind, at least, it lends credence to my theory because previous patterns in Bella's life consistently show her as being someone concerned about others' feelings - she continually puts other people's needs and safety ahead of her own - Renee, Charlie, Jacob and the other wolves - if she had been intending to kill herself when she jumped, I think she would have thought a farewell to Charlie, at least.

    But, to each their own.
  • red_sea
    Bella's not conscious of wanting to commit suicide, and it's not the sole reason for the risky behavior (her conscious reason was to generate Edward hallucinations), but her desire for death was always part of it.

    She chose motorcycles because people on motorcycles had accidents they didn't walk away from.
  • vampiresarecool84
    I totally agree on every point : )
  • ROBPATTZ_WIFEY...Jake WHO??
    Awwww SPIKE!!!!! How I loved him....He was my Fav Vampire til Edward Cullen came and whisk me away....I Love your AVI!
  • vampiresarecool84
    Gotta love Spike! I know I'm risking a couple of stakes and a shower of holy water here, but he was so much better than Angel.

    But of course Edward Cullen had to come along, and more importantly, Jasper *sigh*

    I think we should thank SM for bringing us a whole new pantheon of vampires to fawn over. lol.

    Liking your avi too.
  • ROBPATTZ_WIFEY...Jake WHO??
    FAWN all day FAWN all night!!! He was SO better than Angel to me too! lol
  • Tiffys17
    oh man i tottaly agree with u 2, i mean this chap has lost of interesting things, and u pointed all, i couldnt have say it better.
  • mAriE_KStew'sMyCherryBomb~6/09
    *squeezes eyes a bit*

    *looks at snowy's post*

    hmmmm.... are u sure this is not the whole chapter 15? just cheking... hehehe

    whoa! damn snowy! u own community read posts! hands down! ^_^ so yeah, yeah. what she said... mwah! hehe ^_^
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    mwah back, bb... LOL - no it isn't the whole chapter... but it is my longest one... and I think I used the least amount of quotes in this one, too! Wow. that's really.... sad.....
  • mAriE_KStew'sMyCherryBomb~6/09
    hahaha. yeah. i read the whole thing. took me forever to finish. tee hee... damn snowy u can write! oh yeah, this is ur longest by far right? soo awesome! but yes, im loving ur insights! i dont think i have to comment anymore. it'll be redundant if ever. hehehe

    *claps hands*
    keep it up snowy! im soo proud of u! *hugs* ^_^

    and i mean when i said that u owned community read. definitely. ^_^
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    LOL - I think MEC might have something to say about that... :D
  • mAriE_KStew'sMyCherryBomb~6/09
    hahaha. yeah. she did. told her it wouldnt be possible if not for her... u two can rule the world... tee hee... ^_^
  • TSC <3 Flying Ninja Rob (8/09)
    wow.. you are just amazing! I love reading your comments on the chapters.. you are very perceptive. I'll admit.. I haven't read through the series enough times to pull all of that out of it.. I think I need to spend a couple weeks just reading and re-reading, etc. Thank you for your posts!
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    Thanks. LOL - are you saying I don't have a life? ;)

    Meh. I just think about Twilight stuff far too much. :)
  • TSC <3 Flying Ninja Rob (8/09)
    lol I don't think so... :-/

    I just don't read as much as I'd like to..

    I still love your posts!
  • Nice job on the top 5!!!
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    LOL - why thank you... got side-tracked by all of the new amazing posts that started popping up all around me... d'you think they're trying to distract me on purpose now?! :D
  • Of course they're not trying to distract you LOL... I got distracted changing a poopy diaper and missed the post HAHAHAHA =D
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    eeewwwww... at least MY distractions were pleasant one!

    I SO do not miss the days of diapers... LMAO
  • Yeah he's about to be 2 (on Friday) so hopefully big boy underwear are not far away... lol
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    *snort* "Mommy, wow! I'm a big kid now!" *facepalm* some things are ingrained in your mind forever... LMAO
  • HAHAHAHA I know those commercials lol. I can't wait to start buying those!
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    *sigh* darlin', I think EVERY mother knows those commercials... :D
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    *breathes*
    *gets ready to read*
    Holy COW (insider) woman!! That is..
    *scratches head*
    That is a MONSTER of a comment... just like BD... (that I love)

    I always love you analysis of it all... you are my favorite cowie =P

    EDIT: *sobs* THIS chapter... heck, this ENTIRE book is VERY hard for me! I think Im too pathetic that I let it become TOO personal.. its like I was the Bella in the story, like Edward broke up with ME and left ME. I think thats WHY I loved pre-transformation Jake because he was my sunshine as well.. he made me giggle @ his attitude towards his friends and was just too happy of a person and I LOVE happy ppl!!

    In this chapter, oh GOD, when he's asking her why she always has her arms across her torso.. I always shiver and tear up! It HURTS, Jake.. it really does! The way he tries to soothe her by running his hands through her hair (I <3 that, by the way) kinda soothes ME! Strange huh? The cliff diving scene was also a big shocker for me b/c I identify w/Bella on SO many levels and thats something that I sure as HALE wouldnt dare do.. Im not adventurous.. but I DO understand her.. her drive to hear Edward... to know in some strange way that he was THERE.. so close and that he CARED *sniff* Oh Geez... I better stop or this will end up longer...

    I <3 you girl!
  • AngelStartedMeONVamps
    Another amazing post! I LOVE IT!! I did notice the similarity between Edward and Jake, and it made me laugh. To know that they both dislike each other immensely, yet are so similar is just so funny to me. But, then again, that's usually the people that butt heads the most, the people that are just soo darn similar.
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    *snort* ahem, I mean, *MOOO!*



    ROFLMAO... aw, I love you, too, darlin'... :D
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    *covers mouth to keep giggles in*
    LMAO
    Oh thank you.. thank you.. thank you for giving me this very needed laugh!! You have NO idea how rough these past few days have been!!

    LOL You dork.. I wish I could find the video to show you =(
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    *wears dork badge with pride*
    OK, first things first - I forkin' INTERNALIZE Bella in these stories, so don't feel bad, I'm exactly like you...
    Now, for your much need second laugh:
    I found the best t-shirt slogan, me and my twi-bud are gonna put it on shirts, "Twerd. Like a nerd, but more cool." ROFLMAO
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    Aww I'm so glad NOT to be alone on that... some ppl color me crazy but it's the truth... that Steph knew exactly how to speak to my heart!!

    *hugs*
    I wear my dork badge w/pride as well.. its cool to be one of us....

    LMAO
    I love it.. I forkin' love it!! You HAVE to take a pic and show me.... I would love to see the looks you'll get...
    *giggles*
    You are great... *hugs & kissies*
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    *hugs & mwahs back*

    love you too, hon.



    OK, now, I seriously need to get back to work... or getting up on time for work on Friday may become a mooooot point... :) *teehee* didja notice the extra o's? LMAO
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    LOL
    *facepalm*
    You are so obsessed w/cows... haha!
  • Yeah yeah!! That's my snowy, Numbah threeeee ladies & gents! Top 3 FTW! *does celebratory cabbage patch*
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    *ggigles, grabs snappy & spins* yippee!! :D
  • 42!

    Seconddddddd!! *runs around the room with airplane arms* I am so, so excited with this chapter... I'm about to start writing it & have all kinds of angsty goodness planned!!! (=
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    snappy, LOVE it! *joins in on the airplane arms fun* woohoo! ;)
  • MB . Team Slade Brigade 3/09
    Yay! 1st! =)

    This first is dedicated to snowy--who will undoubtedly end up at the top of this post because of her AMAZING analysis of each chapter.

    I'm pretty proud of you taking the initiative each day to write about it! Your secret's safe with me! ;)

    about the chapter--> holy schniz! this was my FAVORITE hallucination! i wanted her to be mad at edward for leaving her! i really hope this is shown in the movie!!!!!

    the end of this chapter blew me away. "i love you" ............... *sigh*
  • mAriE_KStew'sMyCherryBomb~6/09
    hahahaha. i agree! communit read IS snowy's post.

    she owns these posts! ^_^

    oh btw, congrats on first!!!

    *throws unicorn cookies*

    woohoo! ^_^
  • MB . Team Slade Brigade 3/09
    thanks marie!

    *gathrs unicorn cookies as if they are mana*
  • mAriE_KStew'sMyCherryBomb~6/09
    *facepalm*
    no... dont need to gather that. here.

    *gives basket full of unicorn cookies*
    so u wont have to gather those...

    *point to cookies on the ground*

    congrats again miranda!!! ^_^
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    LMAO - *tears up* oh, wow!
    Umm... *blushes* I'd like to thank all of you who click on "like" even though you probably fall asleep reading my encyclopedia entries...
    truly, you are brave people to even look at my posts!
    I did some bulk-baking last night, unicorn cupcakes for all!!
  • MB . Team Slade Brigade 3/09
    dawww...i didn't mean to make you tear up! lol
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    S'OK, I have my sham-tissues handy... :D
  • YAYYYYYYYY Congrats Miranda panda!! *flings confetti haphazardly into the air & grabs Miranda's hands & twirls around with her*
  • MB . Team Slade Brigade 3/09
    *dances with SCP to "the final countdown" by europe*
  • squee!!! ::begins ridiculous interpretive dance:: LOL!
  • yayyyyyyyyy miranda!! thanks!!!
  • MB . Team Slade Brigade 3/09
    no, thank YOU! =)
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