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Let’s Re-Read New Moon Together! Chapter 17

by MrsEdwardCullen on November 12, 2009 · Comments

in New Moon Re-Read

chapter 17

We are on Chapter 17 of our countdown that means 8, YES 8 more days until the release of New Moon, we are in the single digits folks!  Join us by reading a chapter a day together.  So in order to help pass the time while we wait for New Moon to be released, I will continue to post a thread everyday for each chapter in the book, counting down the days until the official release of the film on November 20th.

Chapter 17: Visitor

“Unnaturally still and white, with her large black eyes intent on my face, my visitor waited perfectly motionless in the center of the hall, beautiful beyond all imagining.  My knees trembled for a second, and I nearly fell.  Then…I hurled myself at her.

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Sheeeeeeeeee’s baaaaaaaaaaack!!! Stand up, round of applause, dance on a table, whatever you want  to do because Alice is back Jack! Whew I have to calm down and get it together.  Let’s get right to it.

  • It’s as if no time has passed, Alice and Bella’s relationship(that we’ve learned from the final 2 books) is a relationship that runs extremely deep, deeper than a sisterly bond, there are really no words to explain it as depicted here.
  • Pg. 382  “I locked my arms around her, gasping to inhale as much as the scent of her skin as possible.  It wasn’t like anything else-not floral or spice, citrus or musk.  No perfume in the world could compare.  My memory hadn’t done it justice.  I didn’t notice when the gasping turned into something else-I only realized I was sobbing when Alice dragged me to the living room couch and pulled me onto her lap.  It was like curling up to a cool stone, but a stone that was contoured comfortingly to the shape of my body.  She rubbed my back in a gentle rhythm, waiting for me to get control of myself.” 
  • Pg. 383  Alice sighed.  “I’d forgotten how exuberant you are,” she said her tone was disapproving.  I looked up at her through my streaming eyes.  Alice’s neck was tight, straining away from me, her lips pressed together firmly.  Her eyes were black as pitch.  “Oh,”  I puffed , as I realized the problem.  She was thirsty.  And I smelled appetizing.  It had been a while since I had to think about that sort of thing.  “Sorry.”  “It’s my own fault.  It’s been too long since I hunted.  I shouldn’t let myself get so thirsty.”     Oookay folks, now I simply adore Alice, but I think we all are guilty of forgetting these people are vampires(isn’t that what Jacob has been trying to tell us?) and while I know Alice would never hurt Bella, there will always be that shadow of doubt in the back of my mind, and Bella’s too as we will see shortly.
  • At this point Alice explains exactly why she returned to Forks & to the Swan residence.  After seeing the vision of  Bella jump from the cliff, Alice hopped on the first plane she could(thirsty and all) & headed straight to Forks.  I simply love the fact that Alice’s first instinct was to comfort Charlie, even after all this time.  The love she has for Bella still lives on. 
  • Pg. 385 “I watched curiously as an enigmatic range of emotions flitted across her face.  Something was bothering her-her imperfect vision?  But I wasn’t sure.  Then she deliberately leaned in and sniffed my shoulder.  I froze.”   See what the hale I mean folks? Let’s just keep repeating this to ourselves: Alice loves us, she would never hurt us…Alice loves us…She would never hurt us.  Lol.
  • Pg. 386  Don’t you just love the rapport between these two?  Their comfy conversations are just so easy breezy, back and forth, very matter-of-factly, like Bella isn’t sitting there talking to an extremely thirsty vampire
  • Pg 387  Apparently Bella smells.  I mention it, because its our first real look into the whole vampire smell sweet…too sweet until it burns your nose, and the wolves smell awful like wet dog issue.  The whole thing is too funny to me, especially the way Jacob gets all wound up when he smells the vamps.  This is also where Bella goes in to deep detail about her friendship with the wolves, since the Cullen’s have been away.  “Leave it to you Bella.  Anyone else would be better off when the vampires left town.  But you have to start hanging out with the first monsters you can find.”  Gotta love Alice!
  • Pg. 389  Tugs at my heart strings.  We all knew Bella lost herself when the Cullen’s left, but here Bella displays just how deeply lost she felt.  “Our leaving didn’t do you any good at all, did it?”  “That was never the point, though, was it? It’s not like you left for my benefit.”  “Well…I guess I acted impulsively today.  I probably shouldn’t have intruded.”  I could feel the blood draining from my face.  My stomach dropped.  “Don’t go, Alice,”  I whispered.  My fingers locked around the collar of her white shirt and I began to hyperventilate.  “Please don’t leave me.”   I’m sure there isn’t a dry eye in the house, I was a mess reading this part :(
  • Pg. 390  Jacob calls(oh boy)  “Charlie?” “No, its me.”  “Jake!”  “Just making sure you were still alive.”  “I’m fine.  I told you that it wasn’t-”  “Yeah. I got it.  Bye.”  All right all my wolf lovers, what cha got to say about that?  I’m going to leave it alone, the boy is hurting enough
  • Yay! Alice is spending the night.  Alice finally goes to hunt(thank goodness, I was getting a bit nervous)  How cute is it when Alice kisses Bella on the cheek, then bounces to get some wildlife.
  • It’s time for Harry Clearwater’s funeral, I still can’t believe he died
  • Pg. 400  We finally get some insight to Alice’s background.  “My name was Mary Alice Brandon.  I had a little sister named Cynthia.  Her daughter- my niece- is still alive in Biloxi.”  “Did you find out why they put you in…that place?”  What would drive parents to that extreme?  Even if their daughter saw visions of the future.  “I couldn’t find much about them.  I went through all the old newspapers on microfiche.  My family wasn’t mentioned often; they weren’t part of the social circle that made the papers.  My birth was announced…and my death.  I found my grave.  I also filched my admissions sheet from the old asylum archives.  The date on the admission and the date on my tombstone are the same.”   Smh, some parents
  • Pg. 403  Jacob Black arrives the next day, and we learn that Alice’s visions go “blind” when the werewolves come around.

This has been a long day and a very long post.  I have tried to add as much as I could.  Now it’s all on you…I can’t wait until I read your comments :)

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  • TeamSwissGoBella
    *continues her happy dance which she started when Jake tells Bella they're going to jump off a cliff*
  • momfan
    I have to say the first couple times I read the books (and I still treat them this way) I really took things at face value and I love all the characters. I think Ed and Jake are equals but Bella had to choose and I wanted her to end up with Edward; I think it’s destiny. That being said: okay so Bella realizes that Victoria was in the water with her which is terrifying. Shows how powerful the wolves are since Victoria fled when Jacob was there even though “the bloodsuckers have the advantage there.” Alice is back which is so cool because who doesn’t love Alice, she’s awesome! I do think it is strange that the Cullens really didn’t keep tabs on Bella. Until this communitty reread I just assumed they did even though they said they didn’t but in this chapter I realized that Laurent or Victoria really would have killed Bella. Some of the things that stood out to me were:

    Why would they put so much stock in “Bella promised”?
    Alice wasn’t watching?!
    Edward was horrible at tracking.
    Alice didn’t know about Laurent and in Forks?
    Bella says, “That isn’t why you left?” and Alice scowled at the ground instead of trying to explain why Edward left?!

    Jacob calls not to check on Bella but as an excuse to call. He is a teenage boy in love So Jacob arrives and Alice wants to leave but Bella is like “It’s none of their business?” Bella is ungrateful to the wolves. Annoying! By the way, I came into this re-read way late and I HAVE to say Bella was so annoyingly ungrateful on her birthday to the Cullens and Edward…and
    Jacob is there! At the end of the chapter 
  • Edward wasn´t horrible at tracking. Victoria´s special ability was ESCAPE. She did go to places where he was tracking her.
  • xSPVTWISAGA09xEB4evx
    I guess I might as well add in on the ORIGINAL POST.

    1. When Bella sees that Mercedes, parked outside her house. JESUM, my heart stopped, my ears clouded, my eyes couldn't move ANY faster to get to whatever was coming.

    2.finally, Bella hits that hallway, and there she is. GOD I CAN NOT EVEN describe the way my heart pounded, I felt so happy, so sad, so relieved. When Bella runs, and hurls herself at Alice, it was complete. peaceful. I know it probably sounds crazy, but I felt like I had just seen a person reunited with someone they haven't seen in 10 years.

    3. The description Bella gives when she is suctioned to Alice. Her smell, her structure, all her features. It just reminds you that this world IS so SURREAL to Bella, and having them just disappear on her WAS almost like going MENTAL. Was it real? Was it not? Was I dreaming? Etc.

    4. After Alice returns from hunting, the conversation is painful. It really choked me up to have Bella think Edward was enjoying his time away. =[

    5. ( NOT QUITE THERE,+)I am literally biting my nails as I'm waiting for Bella to finally tell Alice about the Victoria thing. I can't STAND them not knowing the danger she was in when they ABANDONED her. ( YES YES, i KNOW. Edward did it because he truely loved her, and thought it was best, etc etc. BUT! I don't care. they really did abandon her. He is always saying how fragile she is. Well, LOOK at her shatter Edward =[ you big meanie.)

    6. It frustrated me that they didn't add in, ANYWHERE about Alice' life ( and knowing James had created her.) hopefully in New Moon, the couch scene is where the dirty laundry comes out!

    COME ON CHAPTER 18! I need Alice to know whats been going on! ( Other than the BFF as a werewolf!)
  • vanessainpinks
    Yay Alice is back i love this chapter it brings us that much closer to Bella and Edwards reunion!! and also my favorite chapter in THE WHOLE SAGA -The Truth- 7 more days!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • My favorite part of this chapter is when Charlie goes deep into the details of what it was like after Edward left her. In the book you see the months pass but when Charlie tells Alice what it was really like it help you get a better sense of what we missed. Like when she flipped out when he was about to get her stuff packed up to go with her mom. It's really deep. And then the ways that he says he can still hear her screaming...sniff sniff...it gets to me.
  • vanessainpinks
    thats exactly how i felt *tear *tear
  • xSPVTWISAGA09xEB4evx
    I've finally suckered in to joining the website. YAYYY! I absolutely loooooooooooooooooooooooooooove the entire Twilight saga, and have been following this website, since after I finished the saga for the first time, which was about a year ago (and about on my 6th time reading it. THIS TIME I;M READING IT TO MY FIANCEE!).

    It's a very personal, deep story to me. SO FINALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY, i can express all my deep love for every, single, (and i mean every single) moment of this entire series, and not keep building it ALL up in my head, and going all out the chance i get when someone asks me about it! I AM HHHHHHHHHHHHHHERE! =] So here i go! <3
  • welcome girl, what took u so long?
    actually the more important ? is how do u pronounce ur name? lol
  • xSPVTWISAGA09xEB4evx
    Thank you! And it's Sam/ Samantha ( SPV - initials, Twisaga, and Edward&Bella forever! I'm corny, i know) =\, whatever you prefer. I have no idea what took me so long. I guess it took reading a lot of comments, and watching the frenzy play out in front of me for me to literally NEED to talk about it with people! And they would actually LOVE to talk about it with me. I've only joined ONE forum, and it was Guiding Light (soap opera.) and i was beyond passionate about it. But, unfortunately, GL is over. And THIS saga is officially, my new passion. LOL -

    reading these books were like, an addiction for me. And actually i LAID in bed all morning and read Chap 8-11 in Eclipse! I couldn't take it anymore!
  • oh well i think i'll just call u SPV lol.
    *screams* i loved GL too!!
    i was mad @ the ending i mean we never found out what happened to Jeffery i mean wtf?
    haha
    but yes this site is kinda, no scratch that, it IS addictive esp. around the premiere time i'm just going to warn u.

    have u already read eclipse? if not, let me tell u it is so good it's my favorite of the saga.
  • xSPVTWISAGA09xEB4evx
    Lol, sounds good!

    and YES! I've drowned myself in Twilight. As SOON as I saw the movie, ( because I didn't realize there was an entire series) my brother kept dishing all the "surprise" parts coming in the future. So, i succumbed, and went to the book store and bought ALL FOUR. And read them in 5 DAYS. I seriously think I read for 18 hours one day. I just could NOT let the book out of my hands. And as soon as I got into New Moon, THAT WAS IT, i'm a lifer. forever. and always. I don't know if fans have asked the question (I'm sure they have)

    BUT THERES SOOOOOOO MUCH LEFT OPEN AT THE END! I'm praying, everynight that Stephanie Meyer writes another SAGA.

    Since the first time, i've read it 5 more times, LOL. I guess I'm obsessed, but atleast I don't own any Twi - merchandise yet...

    YET. - i totally want the cullen crest purse and scarf. HA! I'm a sucker..
  • lol i know all the girls in my hs were reading twilight i was like what's the big deal so i got it out of curiousity & i was hooked i flew those pages..it was like a drug...but i've been getting slack i haven't read them in awhile..probably b/c i too busy looking @ the movie stuff.
    i think we all want stephanie to do another saga it was too short she needs to have a spin off or something!
  • You've been missing out!!! This website is my bread and butter of the day ;)
  • You've been missing out!!! This website is my bread and butter of the day ;)
  • xSPVTWISAGA09xEB4evx
    LOL, yes I have! Although, EVERY single day I get on here for a few hours and get my fix. 7 DAYS! =] i was the FIRST person to buy my tickets in Central Vermont! Woop woop!
  • stupid_shiny_vanquish_owner
    This was my favorite chapter in the whole book, I love the conversation Alice has with Charlie, and I like how Bella realizes she didnt fool her dad at all about how deep her depression really was. The one part that bothered me though, was when Bella said "Its not like you left for my benfit", Why didnt Alice defend their reason for leaving and tell Bella that that was exactly the reason they left? It would have been interesting to see Bellas reaction to that.
  • TE101_FingerprintsNeverFade <3
    Probably on my top ten 1,000,000 list of conversations in New Moon is the Alice and Charlie talk.

    “I thought I was going to have to hospitalize her……she wouldn’t eat or drink, she wouldn’t move….I had Renee come to take her to Florida…..She threw her clothes everywhere and screamed that we couldn’t make her-and then she finally started crying….she was empty…..She was avoiding everything that reminded her of him….It was night of the living dead around here.....I still hear her screaming in her sleep….I wonder if I've even grasped at how much pain shes in..."

    And especially this:

    "It's not normal, Alice, and it frightens me. Not normal at all. Not like someone had left her, but like someone died."
  • xSPVTWISAGA09xEB4evx
    I'm totally with you here. This is one of my MANY favorites throughout the entire series. It was SO painful, but also relieving to hear Charlie tell Alice how it was. A part of me felt completed too, because finally, maybe Alice could explain to Edward what Bella's life was like without him, and the literal pain she was in. It's so weird to read this and feel that same emotion that Stephanie Meyer portrayed. The entiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiire New Moon book was gut-wrenching, and heart aching for me, as I'm sure it was for all my amaaaaaaaaaazing twi-lovers.

    THIS finally gave me my piece of mind. Someone else that matters' in Edwards life can actually break-down what damage was actually done to Bella. I know EXACTLY what it's like to be SO in love with someone, so committed, and ready, and willing, and have it feel so SURREAL (because it very much is) and then watch it walk away, with nothing but a breeze. =[,,,,

    God. I can imagine myself in the theater now. I'm going to be a mess. Glad i'll have the hubby there though.
  • JosefaP
    I Just love this book. And, well, here in Chile, the realease date of the movie is november 26th so, its a little early to end up the book, but anyway, there's likea mistake, i don't know if i get it wrong, but, alice don't see the wolfs, and, in eclipse, bella dissapear from her visions when she's hangin' around with wolves. So, the thing is, that in this book she start to spend all her time in la push, and be all her time with the werewolf jacob, so, why she didn't dissapear from alice's visions??

    I'm team Jke btw.

    This is the 4th time i read this book, and since start to this chapter i've cried the whole book, jaja, i just can't avoid it. Edward's leave, problems with jake, hurt in her chest hole, i've cried everything, i really get into thi book, like, i tried to really feel what bella feels.
    And, i feel butterflies in my stomach when Bella see Alice, is so exciting.
    Alice can make anyone happy,right??
    Even more when you're broken in thousand pieces and only your best friend can keep you in one piece.

    Next chapters are happiers and more anxious and i feel like i cant ressist it.

    We want to se Edward!!
    Edward! Edward!!

    I love jake and, the next chapter makes me cry rivers, he's so hurt.

    I want the movie!!! I'm gonna die of anxiety1! Seriously
  • Well she says she wasn't looking for Bella. So maybe that's why she didn't notice that she had disappeared earlier, but I think that since Bella was away from Jacob when she jumped off the cliff Alice saw her. I can't wait either! I'm going to a midnight showing on the 20th. (The 19th to me since I'll just be leaving dinner! :)
  • TheHoneyBear
    I'm so behind...
  • I love this chapter. I missed Alice so much it was nice that it was her that come back. I think if had of been Carlisle it would have seemed like a dream; it's that much of a sweeter reunion becasue it was Alice. The part where she leans in and sniffs Bella, you reacted like she was smelling her because she was hungry, but if you put it in context with the book then you can see that it's because she can smell Jake. She sniffs the gross smell, not the tasty one!!
    I am Team Jacob so it has to be said, I hate this chap for how much Jake is hurting. When he calls to make sure she isn't a Vamp, he's so blunt and rude it makes me cry cause you can almost hear the pain. It breaks my hear t everytime I read it! I'm so excited for the movie, but I think Eclipse is going to be the highlight of next year, go the Tent Scene!!!
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    *sobbing*
    I was waiting ALL day 4 this and you didnt post when I was on =(
    I had my long comment... since you know I was awaiting THIS chapter 4 so long...
    *sighs*
    I'll post it either way... be warned.. its long.. =(

    *comes in bouncing w/excitement*
    Its Time… its TIME!!
    My Alice has come back… HOUSTON ALICE HAS ARRIVED!!! Squeee… I cannot put into words how happy this chapter made me once I realized that the visitor was ALICE.. I mean, sure it would have been awesome and easier on my broken heart if it had been EDWARD but it was the next big thing… ALICE!! It was like my whole world was suddenly bright and the birds were singing Hallelujah in the background!! I teared up… yes I teared up w/happiness, I even hugged my book to my chest that very 1st time I read the book since I couldn’t, obviously, hold Alice!! It was a chapter to celebrate… to an extent…..
    “I’d forgotten how hard she was; it was like running headlong into a wall of cement.”
    Squee I missed Alice SO much…
    “I’d forgotten how exuberant you are.”
    OME she speaks!! Haha… she makes me happy it’s like she’s really there.. Ok.. I think I may be too happy and you ppl might think that I’m losing it BUT… but.. its ALICE!!

    “He was a fool to think you could survive alone. I’ve never seen anyone so prone to life-threatening idiocy.”
    *sniff*
    Just the “HE” in her sentence makes my heart skip a beat and curl into a ball!! And the fact that she doesn’t mention his name at first has such an impact on me that I can’t even begin to explain… like she KNOWS she’s not supposed to damage my heart anymore than what it’s already been… so painful… its bittersweet!
    “I don’t know… even with Jacob, now and then I see something in her eyes, and I wonder if I’ve ever grasped how much pain she’s really in. It’s not normal, Alice, and it… it frightens me. Not normal at all. Not like someone… left her, but like someone died.”—Charlie

    OF COURSE Charlie!! Now, this particular quote was very significant and important to me!! EVEN Charlie, the “oh-Jake-is-right-for-you” knows in his heart and through his observations that Bella, yea may be a bit better when she’s with Jake… BUT… there’s STILL something missing in her… we ALL know what that something, better yet, that SOMEONE is… EDWARD!! Charlie, if you read into the quote as I do, is foreshadowing Bella’s ultimate, heart-breaking decision of choosing Edward.. it’s just inevitable!!
    “It was like someone had died—like I had died. Because it had been more than just losing the truest of true loves, as if that were not enough to kill anyone. It was also losing a whole future, a whole family—the whole life that I’d chosen…--Bella
    *sobs*
    This breaks me everytime!! As pathetic as I may sound… I sure as HALE felt that way. I’m the girl that pictured a future w/Edward and my Cullens!! And when they left *curls into ball* I was broken just as much as Bella… BRING ‘EM BACK FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS SPARKLY!!!
  • red_sea
    That "truest of true love" quote just shows how immature Bella really is. It's almost as bad as her fit in Eclipse when she found out Jacob wasn't aging and she threw her little tantrum asking "Where's the JUSTICE in the world!"

    Plenty of people have lost their true loves Bella, really lost, as in died. You're not special, you're just a drama queen.
  • Riss<3Twilight
    Well, vampires don't die like humans do. For all Bella knew, Edward was dead to her. He had promised her she'd never see him again. She thought he was going to make good on that promise, and so she grieved as if he had died.
  • You got caught in the spider´s web.Do you enjoy talking to it?
  • The only problem is the more we respond to RS, the more bad things come out from him/her (I´m sure it´s him) and then our lovely site is flooded with those views. Several people tried to reason with RS -unsuccessfully.
  • Riss<3Twilight
    Sometimes.


    It's hard for me to just stand by and watch someone continually bash something we all love so much. It's one thing to be a fan and have an opinion, or not like certain aspects of a series.

    It's a whole other story when they're not fans, they're rude, and speak poorly of the author.. on a fansite. It's hard for me to sit back and say nothing, especially when it screaming at my argumentative side to respond. lol
  • red_sea
    He was dead to her in exactly the same way as every other girl who gets dumped.
  • She's completely in love with him. A better comparison is being married and having your husband that you love leave. It would be gut wrenching.
  • red_sea
    Gut wrenching and very common. It's not "enough to kill anyone".
  • Where does she say she wants to kill somebody because she's heartbroken?
  • Riss<3Twilight
    No he wasn't. He's a vampire, a vampire that ran off and promised to never see her again. Again.. basically dead.

    Every other girl who gets "dumped", usually knows that they're ex is still alive. They don't just fall of the face of the earth, forever. (as Bella thought)
  • red_sea
    The fact that Edward's "dead" has nothing to do with the case. Edward's as alive in the world as he was before.

    When people lose the love of their lives through actual death, they're not just selfishly grieving for themselves but for their loved one ceasing to exist.

    And do you actually think if Bella saw Edward hanging around dating other girls (the way most dumped girls do), or worse with their best friend the way Leah does it would be easier?
  • Riss<3Twilight
    Honestly, I can only speculate on that. Yes, I think it would have been easier. If Edward had left Bella for another girl, it would have meant that they didn't have that supernaturally tied destiny they have in Twilight. That tie is what made the break so difficult for the both of them, because they were never meant for anyone but eachother. If he had ended up with another girl, the story would have never been one for Bella to tell.


    I don't know how others handle death, I only know how I handled death. When I lost my mother, my sister, my cousin, and all of my grandparents.. the only thought I had was that they were gone. I didn't nit pick the reasons WHY I was grieving, I still don't.
    The only thing I process is.. they're gone and I'm never going to see them again, they don't exist anymore. Which honestly, is exactly what I felt like Bella experienced when Edward left. Like someone mentioned easier, it's really about perspective when it gets to this point. Everyone perceives it differently.
  • squishy33
    she forgot the part we alice talkes to charlie while bella was "sleeping". that whole coversation told us how bella was acting be fore she "woke up". it also tells us how deeply hurt she was and how we almost fully understand what she went throught. also on pg. 399 you find out where edward is. and charlie seems pretty happy how far away he is and not even having a chance to come back to forks. but i love the response that alice gives charlie "for the first time, alice's voice had a bit of steel in it. "'i wouldnt make assumptions, charlie."' in that two lines for me i can tell that edward still loves and cares for bella and is miserable for leaving her! to bad bella cant interperate that!! thanks for the recaps of all the chapters so far
  • Shortyoa
    I actually felt for Jacob throughout this chapter. The way he treated Bella in Intruder, however harsh, was brought upon by feelings of resentment. He nust've felt that Bella was choosing vamps and ultimately Edward over him, and that had to be difficult, not to mention painful.
  • ilust4edward
    Ok, so I'm gonna say it. As soon as Edward made the decision to leave Bella wouldn't Alice have seen how absolutely depressed and messed up Bella would be over him leaving. He left because he thought it would be better for her and she would move on and be happy one day. Wouldn't Alice have known that wasn't the case at all????
  • Jessssy
    Completely NEW at posting... I have not been Re-reading with you guys, if fact this is the first dissusion I have even read through. But I go to this site about 10x a day. :)) But I felt I "had" to post on the whole Alice seeing Bella thing here. It has been said in other books that Alice only sees people after the decision had been made. Bella had no clue what was coming. She thought it would all pass over and things would be back to "normal" soon. And everyone else had already left. Edward had told Alice to not be looking for Bella's future either. So, Alice didn't, hoping that Edward was gonna be right. It was only when something DRASTIC happened (her DIEING!) that Alice saw her. Even when Victoria was back and had not gotten close to Bella (cause the wolves were keeping her at bay.. and the meadow dosn't count cause she can't see the wolves and they were there so Alice would not have seen that close encounter) Bella's life was not in IMMEDATE danger that Alice still didn't see her.

    Long winded... I guess if I'm gonna do something I should do it right. Sorry if it was confusing... But I get it. LOL
  • spikesgirl
    yeah - messed up and mournful like a human with our short memories Edward believed she would be sad and then get over it - it constantly amazes me how little he actually understands Bella - Jake "gets" her and Edward doesn't
    i get that it is an epic love story etc etc and they end up happily ever after. but really...
    he also tells Alice not to watch her
  • Gypsy0531
    i don't think that it was a matter of Edward not understanding Bella. To Edward Bella, like any other human, would grieve for a while and as the saying goes "time heals all wounds." I think that Edward underestimated Bella's feeling for him. He actually did not realize the depth, the intensity of Bella's love for him. It's the same thing with Bella, even after Edward told her that he would not live in a world without her look how she easily believed him when he told her he did not want her. Bella never felt that she was good enough for Edward. At the end of new moon they finally get it. :)

    I just started posting a few weeks ago. Not a long time reader. Hubby forced me to watch the movie(even though i kept telling him i did not want to watch a vampire love story), because he knows i love vampires. Funny thing is that when the movie finished i turned to him and said "this is the piece of junk you made me watch." Needless to say that eventually i got sucked right in. I think hubby is regretting having forced me to watch the movie. Lol :)
  • margebp1
    boy your story sounds like mine, didnt want to see it but hubby did, watched it loved it and brought the books the next day. My husband makes fun of me and says it his fault.hehehe
  • Gypsy0531
    mines gives me the evil eye when I'm on this site. :) he's already whining that i don't love him. goodness isn't laundry, cooking, cleaning the house enough what more does he want. lol :)
  • Gypsy0531
    :)
  • margebp1
    because even at the very last page of breaking dawn she was finally able to show him how much they trully really loved eachother!!! awww
  • Gypsy0531
    because even at the very last page of breaking dawn she was finally able to show him how much they trully really loved eachother!!! awww

    i know. that was stephenie's favorite part from the entire books and mine.
  • spikesgirl
    i saw the movie first and was not impressed - the audience i was with actually laughed at some of the special effects and they were the target age group - but then i read the books - and like a number of people on here devoured them all in a weekend and then read them all again - i can honestly say i have NEVER done that before
    and now here i am blogging on a website dedicated to this phenomenon - i am wierding myself out!
  • Gypsy0531
    this site is very addictive. i have cancelled my account twice in one week hoping that i can be strong enough to stay away. but i end up coming back. every day i tell myself i'll just look at the updates only a peek then i'll leave the site quickly. next thing i know i'm here 2 hours. pathetic lol.:)
  • Shortyoa
    I totally agree.....makes me think...
  • Keke
    Page 395 - 399 "How bad was it, Charlie?" Alice asked softly, and at first I thought they were
    talking about the Clearwaters.
    Charlie sighed. "Real bad."
    "Tell me about it. I want to know exactly what happened when we left."
    There was a pause while a cupboard door was closed and a dial on the stove was
    clicked off. I waited, cringing.
    "I've never felt so helpless," Charlie began slowly. "I didn't know what to do.
    That first week—I thought I was going to have to hospitalize her. She wouldn't
    eat or drink, she wouldn't move. Dr. Gerandy was throwing around words like
    'catatonic,' but I didn't let him up to see her. I was afraid it would scare her."
    "She snapped out of it though?"
    "I had Renee come to take her to Florida. I just didn't want to be the one… if she
    had to go to a hospital or something. I hoped being with her mother would help.
    But when we started packing her clothes, she woke up with a vengeance. I've
    never seen Bella throw a fit like that. She was never one for the tantrums, but,
    boy, did she fly into a fury. She threw her clothes everywhere and screamed that
    we couldn't make her leave—and then she finally started crying. I thought that
    would be the turning point. I didn't argue when she insisted on staying here… and
    she did seem to get better at first…"
    Charlie trailed off. It was hard listening to this, knowing how much pain I'd
    caused him.
    "But?" Alice prompted.
    "She went back to school and work, she ate and slept and did her homework. She
    answered when someone asked her a direct question. But she was… empty. Her
    eyes were blank. There were lots of little things—she wouldn't listen to music
    anymore; I found a bunch of CDs broken in the trash. She didn't read; she
    wouldn't be in the same room when the TV was on, not that she watched it so
    much before. I finally figured it out—she was avoiding everything that might
    remind her of… him.
    "We could hardly talk; I was so worried about saying something that would upset
    her—the littlest things would make her flinch—and she never volunteered
    anything. She would just answer if I asked her something.
    "She was alone all the time. She didn't call her friends back, and after a while,
    they stopped calling.
    "It was night of the living dead around here. I still hear her screaming in her
    sleep…"
    I could almost see him shuddering. I shuddered, too, remembering. And then I
    sighed. I hadn't fooled him at all, not for one second.
    "I'm so sorry, Charlie," Alice said, voice glum.
    "It's not your fault." The way he said it made it perfectly clear that he was holding
    someone responsible. "You were always a good friend to her."
    "She seems better now, though."
    "Yeah. Ever since she started hanging out with Jacob Black, I've noticed a real
    improvement. She has some color in her cheeks when she comes home, some
    light in her eyes. She's happier." He paused, and his voice was different when he
    spoke again. "He's a year or so younger than her, and I know she used to think of
    him as a friend, but I think maybe it's something more now, or headed that
    direction, anyway." Charlie said this in a tone that was almost belligerent. It was
    a warning, not for Alice, but for her to pass along. "Jake's old for his years," he
    continued, still sounding defensive. "He's taken care of his father physically the
    way Bella took care of her mother emotionally. It matured him. He's a goodlooking
    kid, too—takes after his mom's side. He's good for Bella, you know,"
    Charlie insisted.
    "Then it's good she has him," Alice agreed.
    Charlie sighed out a big gust of air, folding quickly to the lack of opposition.
    "Okay, so I guess that's overstating things. I don't know… even with Jacob, now
    and then I see something in her eyes, and I wonder if I've ever grasped how much
    pain she's really in It's not normal, Alice, and it… it frightens me. Not normal at
    all. Not like someone… left her, but like someone died." His voice cracked.
    It was like someone had died—like I had died. Because it had been more than
    just losing the truest of true loves, as if that were not enough to kill anyone. It
    was also losing a whole future, a whole family—the whole life that I'd chosen…
    Charlie went on in a hopeless tone. "I don't know if she's going to get over it—
    I'm not sure if it's in her nature to heal from something like this. She's always
    been such a constant little thing. She doesn't get past things, change her mind."
    "She's one of a kind," Alice agreed in a dry voice.
    "And Alice…" Charlie hesitated. "Now, you know how fond I am of you, and I
    can tell that she's happy to see you, but… I'm a little worried about what your
    visit will do to her."
    "So am I, Charlie, so am I. I wouldn't have come if I'd had any idea. I'm sorry."
    "Don't apologize, honey. Who knows? Maybe it will be good for her."
    "I hope you're right."
    There was a long break while forks scraped plates and Charlie chewed. I
    wondered where Alice was hiding the food.
    "Alice, I have to ask you something," Charlie said awkwardly.
    Alice was calm. "Go ahead."
    "He's not coming back to visit, too, is he?" I could hear the suppressed anger in
    Charlie's voice.
    Alice answered in a soft, reassuring tone. "He doesn't even know I'm here. The
    last time I spoke with him, he was in South America."
    I stiffened as I heard this new information, and listened harder.
    "That's something, at least." Charlie snorted. "Well, I hope he's enjoying himself."
    For the first time, Alice's voice had a bit of steel in it. "I wouldn't make
    assumptions, Charlie." I knew how her eyes would flash when she used that tone.

    Favorite part of this chapter.
  • Twilight_is_my_escape
    Absolutely love SM for giving this outside perspective of Bella during the early part of the dark ages. Hearing it from Bella's point of view lets you in an the more personal aspects of her pain, and her thoughts. But seeing it through Charlie's eyes is also so very enlightening, and just makes you see how much love Charlie really does have for Bella, even if he isn't vocal or showy about it.

    By far my favorite part of this chapter too!
  • Keke
    Couldnt have said it better.
  • cutesweetiezzz
    Same here, it was my favourite part of the chapter too. I cry so much each time I read that part. We all knew how much pain Bella was in, but that was all in Bella's POV. And when Charlie told Alice how bad it was, we actually got to see what REAL happened. Bella numbed the pain, so we never really got to see how much pain she was in, but Charlie was there to see what she was going through. And just to read all that stuff, it broke my heart. Charlie probably felt useless because he didn't know what to do! Her daughter was in so much pain and all he could do was keep her safe from herself.
  • bella pisses me off as soon as alice comes back she treats jake like sh*t.
    he should've let her go right then & let her a** die when victoria brought the newborns b/c w/o the wolves she would've been burnt toast!
    *steam comes out of ears*
    ooh i'm not even reading this with y'all but it's still making me mad.
    i'm disgusted.
    *frowns w/ disgust*

    ooh look a rainbow...*skips away*
  • willow45
    LOL! But tell us how you really feel!
  • lmao no if i told how i really feel some people might get offended haha
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    hahahahaahahahahahahaha

    you skip away Team Up Nother Notch
    lol no no i joke

    love the name... 'New Moon is gonna be stepped up a whole nother notch!!!!''
    wooooooooo
  • i know! thank you!
    i used to cringe when he said that but now i get angry when he doesn't lmao
    i'm mean i've been watching all of these interviews and i havent heard him say it. *sad face*

    btw: ur name is cool too i've never heard of a fanpire that's pretty unique. ;)
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    why thankyou!

    haha yeh agree.. he needs to say it abit more in all these new interviews.
    well im off.. i said i was leaving like half an hour ago but its just soo hard to turn the computer off lol

    peace out
  • robfan1st- teamFamousLadiesMan
    Well...I'm team Jacob, so as much as I like Alice, this wasn't my favorite chapter...although the exchange between Charlie and Alice in the kitchen was interesting...

    But mostly I hated that the kiss between Jacob and Bella was interrupted, and that Jacob was basically in TEARS when Bella left for Italy...
  • omg jake in tears that's gonna kill me in the movie.
    i can't take it...taylor's face is gonna break my heart...well it already did when i saw the clip of him saying please stay here for me ahh that look in his eyes...*tear*
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    yeh i agree... you'll have a lot to say in tomorrow discussion then haha
  • BAM6AM88 -- Kristen is love :)
    ahhh reading these have mad me realize how much i loved the books. i mean the movie verisons are great but shesh i love these books i need to reread
  • spikesgirl
    no - not charmed - i am a Josh Whedon tragic - loved serenity too
    but there will always be a special place for the bad boys
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    ahhk fair enough
    have you seent he tshirt that says
    'Then Buffy staked Edward.... then end'
    ??
    lol its everywhere in Australia

    anyway im actually getting off this time !!
    ill probably be writing my exam and throw in words like 'vampire' 'shapeshifting werewolves' and 'Volturi'

    hahaha
  • spikesgirl
    yeah - i am currently wrestling with going to the midnight session - my 11 year old daughter rolls her eyes at me a lot - told me i was an embarrassment when i rolled up to pick her up from school with the New Moon soundtrack blaring out of the car
    yay - i lived long enough to be an embarrassment to my children... go me!
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    actually one more thing... i see you're into buffy.... were you into charmed too???
    probs my all time favourite tv show.. actually not probs... DEFS
  • CHARMED is my favorite show of all time, i have every season on dvd...piper was my fav!
  • I also love Charmed and Piper and I love Angel, Roswell and Smallville.
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    OMG !!!!! SAME!!!! I HAVE EVERY EPISODE TAPED ON VCR FROM WHEN IT WAS ON TV, THEN A SET OF EVERY EPISODE IN THE BOOK OF SHADOWS COLLECTION SET THEN EVERY SEASONS BOX SET.

    ahhhh Mrs E-C i love you more and more everyday!!
    i LOVED piper in season 2 and 3 - she was my favourite thenn.. loved them all in season 1. was sOOO dissapointed when shannen doherty left but i kinda liked paige in season 4 so it wasnt a too bad transition.
    but i think overall, phoebe was my favourite.

    season 1 - 5 were sooo good. season 6 and 7 were still good but a little childish - i think the storyline was childish because of wyatt (and chris) - and season 8 was soo good !!

    you a fan of chris?? old chris - drew fuller? he was sooo adorable!
    and i loved dan in season 2.
    and cupid in season 8 hahah nawww

    gosh i could go on all day about charmed.

    charmed, one tree hill and twilight are the things in my life i will never stop loving haha
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    hahahahahaha that hilarious

    well theres nothing to be ashamed of.. not in here anyway... coz we are all so twilight obsessed.

    i cant wait for NM!!! im going to see twilight at 9.30 and then new moon at midnight =)
    not long now !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


    and good point about what you said before... about laurant and irina and the denalie crew lol... thats got me in a bit of a pickle.

    well anyway i better get off for a bit,. i have a uni exam in 4 hours and i am SCREWED.. THANKS ALOT NMM.ORG !!!!

    (im sure ill be back soon haha)
  • BooTay aka HOTGUY w/ UNICORN
    Bella pretty much put Jacob back in the back burner again since she got a vamp back. It really is so sad, but I have never been impressed by Bella or her personality. She just seems so ordinary and a little boring to me ( no offense ). She basically that girl in the back when she lived in Arizona. If she never moved to Forks...her life would be super boring. I think we all need to move to a little town full of hot vampires and wolves....any suggestions because Forks is already claimed!!
  • denali??
  • BooTay aka HOTGUY w/ UNICORN
    where is this denali you speak of??? There are hot vamps and wolves there?
  • spikesgirl
    Long time reader – first time poster - LOVE reading all your comments - certainly make me laugh - even snort my coffee on occasion
    Yeah – I wondered about the car as well – but the other thing is Alice says she has to get a suitcase of clothes – so clearly the house is (as Bella feared) still full of the Cullen’s stuff – in a later book Edward says something about Alice not letting them wear anything more than once so maybe she got clothes put of the goodwill pile?
    If Alice was in Denali why didn’t they tell her about Laurent going to visit Forks and being missing? – if he bonded with Irina (?) so strongly surely that would have rated a mention
    Jake is mean to Bella and that in SM’s words is why he hasn’t imprinted on her – if he had he could not be mean – but on the other hand I don’t blame him at all
  • enviro
    Very, very good catch. Hmmmm. DH is going to think about this.
  • AbaloneBlue
    Yes but Laurent was keeping secrets. He wasn't following the veggie diet so his contact with Victoria was probably on the sly. He probably left without giving any details to the Denali clan.

    As far as the suitcase she should have dropped hers off at the house when she went to pick up the Mercedes. She wasn't expecting Bella to be there just Charile so it makes sense that she would have dropped a suitcase at the house.

    Although, I do believe they left a ton of stuff at the house. The way they come and go they have to.
  • ilust4edward
    So just a theory, but maybe he had been away from Irina for a while. He had to have hung out with Victoria for a bit before he went to Forks. So maybe the Denali clan just didn't know what he was up to.
    I was wondering about Alice and her stuff too. But as I was re-reading today the car situation bugged me the most. If she flew to Forks, but had Carlisle's Mercedes that means it was left somewhere around Forks. If they had no plans on returning would they really have left a vehicle to sit and rot??? Cars need to be driven occasionally to keep in working order. Ok, I will stop picking the book apart. =)
  • good point! where did that car come from?
  • spikesgirl
    yeah right - it is Rosalie who is the car mechanic, so it would be unlikely that Alice could start a Mercedes that has been locked in an underground garage for 7 months - but we can't get too picky
    my point was that it was Bella's greatest fear that everything was still in the house left waiting "just like her"

    re Laurent - the wolves killed him before she knew Jake was a wolf so that was more than a week ago in the book timetable (or is it longer) - i suppose it would be possible that Laurent left Denali before the Cullens arrived - i just find it weird that she would not be happy to tell them all about her new guy - maybe vampires are reserved and unemotional and don't gush to their friends about their new boyfriends?!
  • BooTay aka HOTGUY w/ UNICORN
    lol Spikesgirl, glad you finally came around and gave in. I read and laughed for a few months myself until I finally decided to chime into the fun.
  • slaterbabe
    Good catch, spikesgirl, about Laurent and Irina~I didn't catch that.....*ponders, deeply*
  • slaterbabe
    O.K. Several things today. I'm finally feeling more comfortable with jotting my ideas, thought and questions down and trying to post them. Mostly I have just a few questions....& one thought, sorta *blushes* the first rambling thought...
    I spent a great deal of time trying to 'reason' this out...Jacob leaving Bella at the house, that is...
    Had he stayed, what would he have been able to do? There was no way for him to know Alice Cullen...has he ever seen her, at all? I highly doubt it since she never would have been on the res. he's never had reason to be anywhere near her.
    He couldn't go in alone to 'check'.
    He couldn't take Bella along with him there would have been no way to protect her. If he'd gone in human would he have been able to phase quick enough to protect her if it was a 'bad' vampire and would he have been able to keep her protected from himself during the phase?
    Or would he have phased immediately & killed Alice without there being any danger?
    He knew it wasn't Victoria at that point he could either take Bella far and away or leave her as she begged him to do....I don't see another way....

    First question Alice says she was in Denali visiting. She Carlisle was teaching at Cornell, it's in Ithica, New York. She said she jumped a plane as soon as she 'saw' what happened. SO...HOW DID SHE GET CARLISLE CAR?
    Was it in Ithica? When did she see Bella jump? I'm assuming real time. I can't make the plane, car and locations mesh up~am I making sense? Any input would be appreciated...
  • uahcmai
    You have a good point, but Alice did mention that the entire family was in Denali for spring break, so Carlisle was with her, he was just off hunting. But about the plane and the car, I'm really not quite sure about. It is possible that the Cullens left everything behind. Everything. Including the cars. So maybe Alice flew in by plane, stopped by the Cullen house and picked up Carlisle's car as a coy? So that Charlie wouldn't make assumptions of her appearing for no reason.

    I don't know, just my input :)
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    yeh i get what you're saying. maybe she had carlisles car and there was a story behind that. but bella pretty much made the decision to go cliff diving that day and so alice got over pretty quickly. also!!! what about my query... how could alice tell charlie that edward was in south america... WHAT ABOUT SCHOOL AND THE FAMILY..
    but yeh i get what you're saying... we're gonna have to ask stephenie myer that one haha
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    ALICE CULLEN!!!! – chose to dance on my bed when she came back.

    When I read this book for the first time I thought it was one of Victoria’s tricks so I was unconditionally and irrevocably in love with Stephenie Myer when I found out it was Alice.

    I love how Bella sits in Alice’s lap (although I love K-Stew, I don’t think she will be able to portray that kind of love towards Ashley Greene’s character. In the book it just seems so real and natural for Bella to be Alice’s little baby... so it will be interesting to see how that goes in the movie).

    ‘I looked up at her through my streaming eyes. Alice’s neck was tight, straining away from me, her lips pressed together firmly. Her eyes were black as pitch.’ – Ahhhhh the good old days where Bella smells good and the Cullens find her appetizing =) .. As soon as I read this I was taken into a sense of déjà vu... WOOOOO TWILIGHT AND VAMPIRES (although I am warming up to the wolves. Huh get it !!! WARMING up... coz they are warm! Lol)

    And in saying that I am warming up to the wolves.. i still agree with Mrs E C in that Jake is a mean person (nicest words I could use) to Bella on the phone. She can't please everyone and he knew fro the start that it was Cullens FTW! .. But yeah, poor Jake.. do feel for him. But we cant say we didnt tell him.

    When I read words like ‘hunted’ and ‘thristy’ it just makes me forget about all the werewolf stuff. It puts me back into the world of vampires and the first story of the series. I love it.
    I also LOVE how Alice always says things under her breath like ‘I told him this would happen but he didn’t believe me, ‘Bella promised.’” - in Edward voice... I hope they do that in the movie
    LOL

    And ooooo we find out that Alice can’t see the wolf packs future or any future for that matter where they are present. Wonder why ? do we still know to this day why ?? is it just a defence mechanism that the wolves have??

    “You look like hell, Bella.”
    “I drowned today,” I reminded her.
    “It goes deeper than that. You’re a mess.”
    I flinched. “Look, I’m doing my best.” – Just had to put that in because it shows that Bella doesn’t want to admit to Alice that she has been going through hell.... but it kinda proves to Alice that she has.. if that makes any sense.

    Also, I wonder what Alice thinks in all of this about Bellas relationship with Jacob. I know that she knows that they are friends because Charlie explains to her how bad the situation is but when Jacob rang Bella...
    “Just making sure you were still alive,” Jake said sourly.
    “Jake!”
    Alice scrutinized my expression.
    And in the past pages, Bella has said that she understand what her and Jake’s relationship looks like on the outside, but Alice is very intuitive.. I really do wonder what Alice was thinking at that moment.

    I find it soo sad how Alice never mentions what Edward has been up to and Bella never asks... they both know its for the best but I reckon its pretty sad.

    ALSO!!!! When Alice talks to Charlie while Bella is “still asleep”, she says to Charlie that Edward has been in South America. WTF? When they first left Forks, they told everyone they were moving to Los Angeles. And Edward is still in school... as if he would be attending school in another country while the rest of his family are across a continent. Mistake?? I think so.


    Peace out my fellow Twihards
  • Gypsy0531
    And ooooo we find out that Alice can’t see the wolf packs future or any future for that matter where they are present. Wonder why ? do we still know to this day why ?? is it just a defence mechanism that the wolves have??

    Carlise has a theory as to why Alice cannot see werewolves. i cant remember the chapter but it's in Eclipse, the chapter where edward stops bella from going to see jacob.
  • slaterbabe
    Well, it is Spring Break for Bella and Alice it seems. Alice said they had been in Denali while Carlisle was on spring break from Ithica. Maybe Edward was there for his spring break....
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    ahhhh ok yep yep
  • uahcmai
    It's not a defense mechanism. I think somewhere in Eclipse or Breaking Dawn, Stephenie Meyer does reveal that it's because Alice was never a werewolf, hence her not being able to see werewolves. She always says that she sees her kind the best, and she sees humans because she was once a human, but she doesn't remember being one so her visions aren't as clear. But as for vampires, she sees them a lot clearer.

    ... If that makes sense? Haha.
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    yehh it does! never thought of it like that. but yeh it does make sense.
  • Gaby Steward 04/09
    I know this chapter is about Alice come back, and joy of the reunions.

    But Charlie open his heart to Alice about how he trid to pick up all the broken pieces of his daughter after Edward left is also captured me.....

    " ...and I wonder if I've ever grasped how much pain she's really in. It's not normal, Alice, and it...it frightens me. Not normal at all. Not like someone left... her,
    But like someone died. "

    I've always be a daddy's girl ( Sorry mom, Love you too! )...So this got me..

    Can't wait to see Billy rocks it!!!!
  • Team_Paris - Wheres my meteor!
    i get mad when people talk bad about jacob like "oh hes hurting her, hes a jerk. blah blah blah". are you freaking SERIOUS what jacob did is nothing compared to what edward did to her "oh but edward had his reasons blah blah blah", yeah so did jacob!
    "but edward was hurting when he left bella too". jake was hurting when he hurt bella, when he was away from her but he doesnt mope around like "Oh whoa is me" like bella and edward!, he shows it though anger most of the time and at some points he does mope around

    thats it rant over :)
  • slaterbabe
    I'm with ya sista! I'm not team Jacob, though. I think Jacob is way to good for Bella. But here are my thoughts on another touchy Jacob subject.....
    I spent a great deal of time trying to 'reason' this out...Jacob leaving Bella at the house, that is...
    Had he stayed, what would he have been able to do? There was no way for him to know Alice Cullen...has he ever seen her, at all? I highly doubt it since she never would have been on the res. he's never had reason to be anywhere near her.
    He couldn't go in alone to 'check'.
    He couldn't take Bella along with him there would have been no way to protect her. If he'd gone in human would he have been able to phase quick enough to protect her if it was a 'bad' vampire and would he have been able to keep her protected from himself during the phase?
    Or would he have phased immediately & killed Alice without there being any danger?
    He knew it wasn't Victoria at that point he could either take Bella far and away or leave her as she begged him to do....I don't see another way....
  • Robaddict Team Leg Hitch
    ALICE IS BACK!!!!!! :) I was jumping, screaming the first time I read this chapter, I think I almost cried!!!
  • team flippy
  • Robaddict Team Leg Hitch
    WOW!! Thank you a million times!! My screen is sizzling!!! That's how i love to see Rob...red lips, beautiful eyes...that hair, chest hair...not shaved.....that jawline......thud...:D ok, i think i need a cold shower now!☺
  • team flippy
    LOLz Your welcome!! ;))
    Ahhhhh i know!!! That was just SEXY! I would devour him!!!LOL
  • Robaddict Team Leg Hitch
    AWWWW! Meg, those pics of Robsten are so cute!......now, the first picture....WOW!......my imagination is going wild right now! ;D
    HOOTTTTTTT! Thanks!! :D
  • team flippy
    LOL
    Your welcome! ;)
  • Robaddict Team Leg Hitch
    MY GAWD!!!! I DON'T THINK I COULD STOP MYSELF FROM "ATTACKING" HIM...SO HOTTTT!! IRRESISTIBLE!!!......OMG!! I almost forgot to tell you, I was laughing at myself yesterday haha, I went to walmart and when i walked in there was a tall guy who from a distance resembled Rob when he's wearing his baseball cap.....and OMG for a second I froze, I almost got a heart attack..then i kept telling myself stop staring, that's not Rob, he's in Spain...my god, that guy prolly thought i was flirting...lol ;D
  • team flippy
    Bwahahahaha! OMG that is sooo embarassing!LOL
    I wish i can find a Rob look a like around my area!lol Ohh soo did you get catched up yet??
    Guess what i read somwhere!....Theres gonna be an Eclipse teaser trailer when you watch New Moon in theaters!!!! Ahhhhh ;DD
  • Robaddict Team Leg Hitch
    So embarassing, i know!! lol / i wish i had met a Rob look a like before i got married..haha.. keep your eyes open Meg, you never know, next time you walk into a store a Rob look a like may be there waiting for you. :D... No, i didn't catch up, it was busy here today :( / YOU'RE KIDDING?! Eclipse teaser trailer?!! OMG... now i'm even more impatient...1 MORE WEEKKKKK!! LOL
  • team flippy
    Heyyy! ;)
    I found some new pics of Rob all scruffy just the way u like it! lol

    http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/archive/2009/...

    and heres a cute one of Rob and Kristen

    http://socialitelife.celebuzz.com/archive/2009/...

    http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/images/events2/...
  • Robaddict Team Leg Hitch
    did you see all of these?!! Lmao Look at Kristen in the last ones...hahaha.... http://esra88.livejournal.com/6334.html
  • team flippy
    OMG yessss i saw them!!! They are such a HOT couple!! *sigh* lol
    OMG today is the premeir!!! Are you going???
  • Robaddict Team Leg Hitch
    NOOOOOOOOOO, I'm not going....sobs....this is an injustice, torture.... I can't go....my Rob so close and i can't get there...life is not fair.... I'm also mad at myself, i used to live in LA... WHY DID I MOVE???!!:(
  • team flippy
    *sniff sniff* That IS torture!!!! *sigh* Its okay theres live stream at 6!!! LOL
    Ohhhh OMFG i am having the worst day!!! I was all excited at school because you know its the premeir and this mofo came up to me and started making fun of twilight dissin Edward and all that crap i totally don't want and need to hear!!!! Ughhh WTF do i say to somone soo annoying??????? KHFKSUDKSDFYIGV;ZSKJVBSKDJHG I just wanna strangle him!!!!!!!
  • Robaddict Team Leg Hitch
    Listen, Megs... don't pay attention, ignorant & rude people do not do well in life...just ignore them, they don't deserve attention which is what they want....i know, they are so freaking annoying... Don't let stupid people ruin not even one second of your life... I usually ignore people like that, its not easy, but i always ask myself this question...Is this person important or someone i really care about? When the answer is no is easier to ignore, i would really be hurt if a dear friend or family member was doing that to me..but if the person insulting or dissin me is an idiot or just ignorant and stupid, i just laugh... / Yeeesssss, i won't miss the live coverage...yey!!!
  • team flippy
    *Sigh*
    Your right!...they are rude and ignorant people who just wants attention!..Gawsh why do they have to pick on something i really care abuot though....Ughh this was just bugging me all day :S
    But yeahh i'll try to ingnor them...hdfasdkjfgbafeuhabgfi....i need too see Robsten soon before i go berzerk!!!LOL
    Are you watching it right now??? Im not sure where to watch it..
  • Robaddict Team Leg Hitch
    That mofo is not important, not worth it...i really feel sorry for them sometimes, they think they sound so smart and in reality they only look really stupid and sound even worse.../ o, i know, go watch your favorite Rob interview..lol... that always helps me when i'm upset..:) No, i'm not watching it, is myspace going to show it?....i think i read that somewhere...
  • team flippy
    Ughh i know right!!! They just sound soo mean too~! I shoudln't waste my time on thinking about them...ughh soo hard to get it out of my head....Yeahh i think im gonna go watch some of his vids now...distract myself!LOL
  • Robaddict Team Leg Hitch
    There you go!!:) Rob will make you forget...haha...he makes me forget everything...one word out of those beautiful lips and i'm in heaven!!!;) o, i just read this, SM is not planning to finish Midnight Sun for now... she doesn't feel like writing it at this moment :( but she will someday.. hopefully soon...:) she also answered a lot of question regarding "New Moon", she prefers werewolves! wtf?!! But she's not Team Edward or Jacob, she said " there's no reason to be in a team if its fiction" or something like that...Well, i will always be a vampire, Edwarian girl!!! :)
  • team flippy
    WHAT???? SHES NOT DOING MIDNIGHT SUN????? *faints*
    OMG i hope theres a really good fanfic out there that is in Edwards POV of the books!!!lol
    And WHAT????? she prefers warewolves??? *tear* everyone is soo hating on Edward..even his creater... *sniff sniff* Whyyy?!?! Why are they doing this to me!!.....;'(
    Rob!! I need you!!! lol
    Gawsh im soo dramatic...xP
  • Robaddict Team Leg Hitch
    OMG... That was the wrong info to send you at this time...lol:) here you go live coverage of the Premier http://www.newmoonmovie.org/
  • team flippy
    Aww..haha yeahh i hope i meet one! ;))
    But i would rather meet the real one! lol
    OMG i hope its true!! I just read it from one of the comments...and she had proof cuz she took a pic of the msg..but yeahh ONE MORE WEEK!! ;D
  • FTW - Bring on The Runaways!
    Off Topic:
    Today was my lucky day! I went to the bookstore and picked up the LAST copy of VF magazine! Then, I went to walmart in search of HB mag, and also picked the LAST copy up of that one! I'm so glad I went to the store in between classes instead of after my night class.

    Now, hopefully I'll get lucky and see EW mag out tomorrow! My area always puts magazines out days after they should be on the shelves, so I'm not getting my hopes up.

    I just had to share that :)
  • Gaby Steward 04/09
    Yay! For you !! Hope you enjoy your mags : )
  • team_alice
    OMG I WAS SOOO HAPPY WHEN SHE CAME BACK!!! lol!!!

    i cried the whole time they were having theyre conversation. So sad so sad indeed.

    I am soooooo excited for this part of the movie.. even though i know the whole part wont be on the movie but i will be excited for this!!! Only 8 more days everyone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! =D
  • CathyCullen(RIP Orange Pants)
    This chapter is where the story begins again for me.
    "Its Alice its Alice!!!" I scream in my head everytime I read this chapter! Any one of the Cullens would have been amazing, but the fact it was Alice made it so much more better. I love how this chapter shows the bond between Alice and Bella. I felt as desperate as Bella was for Alice to stay, in tears when Bella says
    "Don't go, Alice", I whispered. My fingers locked around the collar of her white shirt and I began to hyperventilate. "Please don't leave me".
    In a weird way, I was glad Alice was seeing how much of a mess Bella was and what they're leaving Forks did to her. I didn't want the Cullens, let alone Edward, to think that Bella was just going to continue on normally with her life. I wanted them to know how much they meant to Bella.
    Its nice how Charlie show his over-protective-father side in this chapter, but I'm so glad the way Alice defends Edward
    Charlie snorted. "Well I hope he's enjoying himself". For the first time , Alice's voice had a bit of steel in it. "I wouldn't make assumptions Charlie"
    No matter how much Bella went through, I will never ever blame Edward for leaving. And I know Charlie couldn't have known, but Edward was going through as much pain as Bella was during the time he was gone.
  • Alice was back and I was so happy but also afraid of her leaving and not telling Edward about Bella´s suffering although she knew they both suffered.
  • bellas908
    AWHHH!!
    I love this chapter!!!
    as soon as I read that it was alice,... i knew that something totally good would happen..... i mean seriously!!! awwwhhh
    I just loove this chapter.. I mean who dosent..
    well yes, bella finds out that Edward is trying to kill himself because he thinks that Bella is dead but then she sees him in Italy and AHHHHHHWWW!!
    i mean seriously, It cannot get any cuter than that!!!!
    Too bad we all dont have fairytale endings... and fairytale vampire boyfriends.
    **Sigh**
  • whereisthelove
    I have been reading your chapter descriptions and some of the replies all along. You even got me to re-read New Moon again. I have to say that I am constantly surprised at how one sided everyone seems to be. It's like bad politics. All politicians are liars and all the characters in this book are flawed. I think it's why they are so endearing. Yes Bella is clinically depressed, Edward is stupid for leaving and Jacob is an immature jerk. Bella and Jacob are teenagers so I would expect them to act like teenagers. That involves making some bad decisions which they both do. Edward is a fictional being who is over 100 years old. That is bound to loosen some marbles. If you love the relationship that Edward and Bella have you don't need to nit pick on every thing Jacob does that annoys you. If you think that Jacob and Bella are BFF's and she was using him you don't have to pick on Edward's flaws. I have to admit the first time I read New Moon I thought I was team Edward. The second time I read it I felt like it had a very "nice guys finish last" theme and leaned to team Jacob. In subsequent readings I think I am just along for the ride. It's much more fun that way. You should try it.
  • margebp1
    and then comes breaking dawn, but ive read these books over and over and im always team edward, i like jacob but not with her. just my thought.
  • AbaloneBlue
    Well I was Team Edward and still am Team Edward after reading the series several times. But (to be honest) I have only read ALL of NM 2x (I usually skip some of the chapters). I agree all the characters have issues and without them there would be no story to love. There are many points throughout the series that annoy me about each of them but what I realized is that the story would not be nearly as interesting without them.

    I enjoy hearing the Team Jacob points of view.
  • Bitten_Pillows
    Exactly! I'm so glad you say this. I always have to feel like I'm defending Edward or Jacob, because I'm Switz. I've never felt the need to choose either, because both guys are worthy of Bella, because she fell in love with both of them!
  • willow45
    It's funny you say that whereisthelove. Because the first time I read New Moon, I was Team Edward. The second (and subsequent times) I am Team Jacob. But the joke is - I LOVE EDWARD too. I think I just feel that people always attack Jacob and I think he is so misunderstood (and so does SM) that my first reaction is to stick up for him. But I truly do love all the very flawed characters in the story. It's what makes them so very real.
  • amandalovestwilight
    I really felt like this chapter was a turning point in the story. obviously not the climax, but more of the part where the story transitions from 'maybe things could be okay with jacob, kind of, sort of' to 'uh-oh, never mind, big problem'. Its from this chapter on that makes me wonder what would have come of the growing relationship between jacob and bella. I mean, she almost allowed him to kiss her in the chapter after this one! which if you really think about it, at the beginning of the book, when edward had very first left her and she confided in jacob, she wouldnt had even considered letting him get near her face with those lips. lol but in that chapter, she actually had a seed of her love for him planted somewhere in her head; ("He was not my Jacob, but he could be. His face was familiar and
    beloved. In so many ways, I did love him. He was my comfort, my safe harbor. Right now, I could choose to have him belong to me." -Chapter 18, The Funeral)
    That in itself shows that maybe, even if its just a little bit, bella had taken one babystep to getting over edward.

    With that being said, dont get me wrong. I am completely and totally team Switzerland. which could also be known as "team indecisive". haha, because i honestly can not choose, but i must say that i am in absolute love with edward and bellas relationship throughout the next couple of books. because honestly, i dont think any of us couldve truely gotten over it if edward never came back, am i right?
    ahha
    well enough of my rambling, i have things to do :)
    love this chapter,
    love this book,
    love this series,
    oh..
    and.
    8 MORE FORKIN' DAYS, BABY!
    WE CAN MAKE IT! (maybe!)
  • Gypsy0531
    That in itself shows that maybe, even if its just a little bit, bella had taken one babystep to getting over edward

    Bite your tongue. No such thing. This is Edward we are talking about. No one gets over Edward not even a tiny bit. :) Lol.
    As bella was running to save him she did not care that he did not want her. She would never want anything but him. :)
  • amandalovestwilight
    True, true. I apologize :) lol
    I bite my tongue.
    your right, it IS Edward. Who could get over that hunk of vampiric man candy :) lol
  • enviro
    Amen to it all! Co-sign.
  • amandalovestwilight
    lol :)
  • claracitti
    "Alice, oh, Alice!" I cried, as I slammed into her.
    I'd forgotten how hard she was; it was like running headlong into a wall of cement.
    "Bella?" There was a strange mingling of relief and confusion in her voice.
    I locked my arms around her, gasping to inhale as much of the scent of her skin as possible. It
    wasn't like anything else–not floral or spice, citrus or musk. No perfume in the world could
    compare. My memory hadn't done it justice.
    I didn't notice when the gasping turned into something else–I only realized I was sobbing
    when Alice dragged me to the living room couch and pulled me into her lap. It was like
    curling up into a cool stone, but a stone that was contoured comfortingly to the shape of my
    body. She rubbed my back in a gentle rhythm, waiting for me to get control of myself.
    "I'm… sorry," I blubbered. "I'm just… so happy… to see you!"
    "It's okay, Bella. Everything's okay."
    "Yes," I bawled. And, for once, it seemed that way.
    Alice sighed. "I'd forgotten how exuberant you are," she said, and her tone was disapproving.
    I looked up at her through my streaming eyes. Alice's neck was tight, straining away from
    me, her lips pressed together firmly. Her eyes were black as pitch.
    "Oh," I puffed, as I realized the problem. She was thirsty. And I smelled appetizing. It had
    been a while since I'd had to think about that kind of thing. "Sorry."
    "It's my own fault. It's been too long since I hunted. I shouldn't let myself get so thirsty. But I
    was in a hurry today." The look she directed at me then was a glare. "Speaking of which,
    would you like to explain to me how you're alive?"
    That brought me up short and stopped the sobs. I realized what must have happened
    immediately, and why Alice was here.
    I swallowed loudly. "You saw me fall."
    "No," she disagreed, her eyes narrowing. "I saw you jump."
    I pursed my lips as I tried to think of an explanation that wouldn't sound nuts.
    Alice shook her head. "I told him this would happen, but he didn't believe me. 'Bella
    promised,'" her voice imitated his so perfectly that I iroze in shock while the pain ripped
    through my torso. "'Don't be looking for her future, either,'" she continued to quote him.
    '"We've done enough damage."
    "But just because I'm not looking, doesn't mean I don't see" she went on. "I wasn't keeping
    tabs on you, I swear, Bella. It's just that I'm alreacy attuned to you… when I saw you
    jumping, I didn't think, I just got on a plane. I knew I would be too late, but I couldn't do
    nothing. And then I get here, thinking maybe I could help Charlie somehow, and you drive
    up." She shook her head, this time in confusion. Her voice was strained. "I saw you go into
    the water and I waited and waited for you to come up, but you didn't. What happened? And
    how could you do that to Charlie? Did you stop to think what this would do to him? And my
    brother? Do you have any idea what Edward–"
    I cut her off then, as soon as she said his name. I'd let her go on, even after I realized the
    misunderstanding she was under, just to hear the perfect bell tone of her voice. But it was
    time to interrupt.
    "Alice, I wasn't committing suicide."
    She eyed me dubiously. "Are you saying you didn't jump off a cliff?"
    "No, but…" I grimaced. "It was for recreational purposes only."
    Her expression hardened.
    "I'd seen some of Jacob's friends cliff diving," I insisted. "It looked like… fun, and I was
    bored…"
    She waited.
    "I didn't think about how the storm would affect the currents. Actually, I didn't think about
    the water much at all."
    Alice didn't buy it. I could see that she still thought I had been trying to kill myself. I decided
    to redirect. "So if you saw me go in, why didn't you see Jacob?"
    She cocked her head to the side, distracted.
    I continued. "It's true that I probably would have drowned if Jacob hadn't jumped in after me.
    Well, okay, there's no probably about it. But he did, and he pulled me out, and I guess he
    towed me back to shore, though I was kind of out for that part. It couldn't have been more
    than a minute that I was under before he grabbed me. How come you didn't see that?"
    She frowned in perplexity. "Someone pulled you out?"
    "Yes. Jacob saved me."
    I watched curiously as an enigmatic range of emotions flitted across her face. Something was
    bothering her–her imperfect vision? But I wasn't sure. Then she deliberately leaned in and
    sniffed my shoulder.
    I froze.
    "Don't be ridiculous," she muttered, sniffing at me some more.
    "What are you doing?"
    She ignored my question. "Who was with you out there just now? It sounded like you were
    arguing."
    "Jacob Black. He's… sort of my best friend, I guess. At least, he was…" I thought of Jacob's
    angry, betrayed face, and wondered what he was to me now.
    Alice nodded, seeming preoccupied.
    "What?"
    "I don't know," she said. "I'm not sure what it means."
    "Well, I'm not dead, at least."
    She rolled her eyes. "He was a fool to think you could survive alone. I've never seen anyone
    so prone to life-threatening idiocy."
    "I survived," I pointed out.
  • that's almost half the chapter. lol
  • pauline76
    guys! CATHERINE HARDWICK JUST CONFIRMED ROBSTEN!!!!!!!!! ROB AND KRISTEN ARE TOTALLY TOGETHER!!! I'm like dying here.... YES!!!!!!!
  • ♥Krisbert76♥
    didn't she do that like many times before ?? Sent the link ...
    what did she say?? Anyway, those in denial will just say she is lunatic ... lol...
    i think most will believe only if it's fr their own mouth, robsten's and in a vid .. lol..
    those totally in denial will never accept it ..
    i already know they are together :)!
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    *whispers*
    she IS a lunatic.
  • willow45
    Hahaha. Too funny Patzy.
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    ...just stating the facts....
  • MrsSpunkRansom
    here's the quote:

    "After I cast him, I told Rob, Don't even think about having a romance with her. She's under 18. You will be arrested. I didn't have a camera in the hotel room. I cannot say, but in terms of what Kristen told me directly, it didn't happen on the first movie. Nothing crossed the line while on the first film. I think it took a long time for Kristen to realize, O.K., I've got to give this a go and really try to be with this person."
  • You guys stop! You're starting to convince me! :)
  • MrsSpunkRansom
    Just doing my job. lol
  • Hey are you the SpunkRansom on twitter?
  • MrsSpunkRansom
    Nope. My screenname is MrsSpunkRansomm (with two m's). but i don't go on very often :/
  • Ahhh, didn't notice the two M's before. :)
  • pauline76
    well...i didn't believe it! then i saw the pics of them holding hands and now CH says it's really happening.... i feel like i've been missing all the signs coz it was too big for the two of them to fall for each other like their characters in the book/movie....what an idiot! arghhh....^^
  • ♥Krisbert76♥
    you should read Beyond Twilight Fanfic, you would most definitely believe it! :LOL
    I must say it could be their real story ... if their real story is as exciting as BT ff, god, god help us ... it's way too hottttttttttttttt ...........
    their love is more sexier and hotter than Edward & Bella's .... lol
    I am so rereading it again and again ... lol
    my fave chapter is when she finally admitted to herself that she love him and went all the way to london to tell him and then they had misunderstanding, god it was so heart breaking .... that scene at the club, so freaking cool ... and their first time together!!!!! WOoh ..
  • r u serious. how does she kno?!?!?!
  • pauline76
    after we all saw the pics of the two of 'em holding hands in Paris, she answered a few questions to the press and confirmed that it didn't happen on the set of twilight but later....Kristen gave it a go, she said. Wow...just wow....now it's real!
  • ♥Krisbert76♥
    so kristen said it?
    do you have the links to the vids or .. ??
  • ♥Krisbert76♥
    I am going to listen to Twilight and New Moon's audio again before going to see the movie :D

    Now listening to the bits on Midnight Sun, it's sorta a computerised male voice, not too bad, first time i heard it, it was silly but after awhile, you get used to it ..lol... god so looking forward to S. M. to finish it and then we have the audio out as well, hopefully with a sexy male voice :)
  • Unnaturaly still and white, with her large black eyes intent on my face, my visitor waited perfectly motionless in the center of the hall, beautiful beyond imagining.
    My knees trembled for a second, and I nearly fell. Then I hurled myself at her.
    „Alice, oh, Alice!“ I cried , as I slammed into her.
    „Bella?“ There was a strange mingling of relief and confusion in her voice.
    I locked my arms around her, gasping to inhale as much of the scent of her skin as possible.
    She rubberd my back in a gentle rhythm, waiting for me to get control of myself.
    - I was also relieved that it wasn´t a bad vampire because the last words of the previous chapter made me think of that possibility.
  • Yeah, SM is quite good at leading us on! FIrst time I read it I thought for a second it might be Victoria or someone doing her dirty work! Aaahh... then those wonderful, wonderful words "Alice! Oh, Alice!" AAAHHHHH So excited!
  • Yes, she´s great in tying us to the story, I love her writing.
    I hope you´ll like it in Everett. I keep my fingers crossed.
  • Aww thanks so much you're so sweet!! He turns 2 tomorrow!!!! I can't believe it. So i'll probably not be on here much til the weekend's over *wipes tears away* LOL.
  • My sons were at first amazed but now they got used to the fact I am into Twilight. But I couldn´t persuade them to watch it with me. They just smile. But I know how you meant it with your son.
  • 2-year-olds are such darlings. Are you going to have a big party?
  • Not a big party, but yeah we're having a party. Imagination Movers!! It's his favorite cartoon. I just don't know why my two year old son wouldnt want a Twilight birthday LOL...
  • Many happy returns of the day!!! I will surely miss you . Enjoy the weekend.
  • And I will miss you dear!!
  • Aww thanks! *hugs DA* I hope I like it too!
  • You´re welcome. Hugs to you and your son too.
  • ♥Krisbert76♥
    I was as happy as bella when Alice came back :)
  • red_sea
    What Bella's reaction shows, is that she's developed an addiction to vamps in general, and it certainly isn't sisterly.

    She crawls into her lap and starts sniffing her?

    And Bella shows her bias again. She keeps the Cullens secret for months, despite thinking they'd abandoned her, but in her desperation to ingratiate herself to a Cullen, she betrays Jake's secret as fast as she can.
  • Riss<3Twilight
    She tells the Cullen's secret to Jake almost immediately after she finds out he's a werewolf (shapeshifter really).
  • red_sea
    She refused to tell him in the forest, and in her room, she only told when there was a good reason for it. The wolves needed any infor mation they coud get.

    She wouldn't even contain herself long enough to ask Jake if she could tell his secret, despite the fact that (unlike the Cullens) she could easily do so.
  • Riss<3Twilight
    Wait a second.. I was misunderstanding, you were talking about them just being vampires, not their special abilities.

    Now this is just easy. Bella was not going to tell the Cullen's secret because he might have thought she was crazy. Jacob didn't believe in anything like that, he mocked his own father for it. I don't see why you would expect her to immediately be like.. "Oh hey Jake.. by the way, my ex boyfriend and his family are all vampires. Just thought I would let you know".



    She tells Jake's secret to Alice to be fair. She had already told the wolfpack EVERYTHING she knew about vampires, including their special abilities.
    Page 386
    "I gnawed on my lip for a second. Was this a secret, or not? And if it was, then who was my greatest allegiance to? Jacob, or Alice?
    It was too hard to keep secrets, I decided. JACOB KNEW EVERYTHING, why not Alice, too?"
  • red_sea
    When Jake talked to her in the forest, he called then bloodsuckers, when he went to her room, she still refused to tell him, not because she thought he wouldn't believe her but because "I had a secret that wasn't mine to tell, yet a secret I felt bound to protect.", but she showed no such loyalty to Jacob.

    "Fairness" is Bella's excuse for her disloyalty and weakness. She asks: who was my greater allegiance to? Jacob or Alice?

    Since she believed Alice abandoned her, and was leaving again soon, she owed her allegiance to the guy who had been picking up the pieces for months, and would be sticking around.

    At the very least she owed it to him to ask him first.
  • Riss<3Twilight
    She was confused and had no idea what he was talking about, other than that he knew what the Cullen's were. No human was supposed to know that, she was in denial at first that he even knew.

    He went to her room, she didn't say anything because again.. still thinks he's human.. plus she's half asleep and hurt. She's not worrying about telling Jake something HE ALREADY OBVIOUSLY knows, she's worried about HIM.

    As soon as she found out he was a werewolf she almost immediately told him that Edward could read minds. Without even the hint of hesitation she had before telling Alice Jake's secret.
  • red_sea
    Nope. She doesn't tell because it's not her secret to tell, she holds onto the secret as long as she can, and she only tells about the abilities for a good reason, and even then she wonders if she's being loyal to the people who dumped her.

    She spills her guts to Alice as fast as she can, and for no good reason.
  • Riss<3Twilight
    "Why don't you point your finger at those filthy, reeking bloodsuckers that you love so much?"
    So right here, Bella should have told Jacob..
    Bella- "The Cullens were vampires"
    Jacob- "Yea, that's what I just said?"

    Why would she tell him something he already knows?
  • red_sea
    The point isn't that she should have told Jacob as soon as she could, the point is that she should have tried keep Jacob for longer than 30 seconds after Alice showed up.
  • cookies_unicornsforRob(nessa_)
    WOW
    i'm so overwelmed with videos, pics, and more robsteness...and on top of all of that i have to read Chapter 17!!

    haha im not complaining..thank you twi-gods for all of this stuff to keep us twi hards busy until New Moon comes out next week!
    Chapter 17 is definately one of my favorites..its so refreshing to finally have Alice back =)
  • EverySingleDayOfForever
    Love your avi! I totally noticed this as she waved to fans! Very classy to watch the cleavage before bending over! :)
  • cookies_unicornsforRob(nessa_)
    Thank You:) I love K, she's great to the fans.
    I love your avi too..classy E&B.
  • GottaLoveRob
    It's very significant to Bella that despite Edward decided to leave she would also missed Alice. Alice had become her best friend which she trusts and always allowed herself to give in to Alice's presence. There was an increasing bond between Alice and her that she also felt brokenhearted to lose her along with Edward. Afterall the Cullens are Bella's family which she identified herself completely. Even if she still has ties to the human world and very much a human, she doesn't allow herself to focus on this entirely but to see people as people with meaning to her in her life. She did this with the Cullens as well as the Quileutes. She refused to see the treaty between them to separate herself from them because this treaty was to protect. At the time of the departure for the Cullens, she needed someone to invest her time and also to help ease her sorrows. Jacob was there for her and continues to be. I love how Stephenie focused on developing a closer bond between Jacob and Bella. This is pivotal because it also helps Bella to still have ties with the human world in a sense despite Jacob is a shapeshifter. Does this story also say to us to not be afraid of things that are not normal for us? The monsters are only monsters if we are not able to look deeper into the phenomenon.

    The part where Alice sniffs Bella's skin shows how vulnerable Bella actually is to the world of vampires. Bella lets her guards down and completely trusts in them that she will never become their meal. I don't know about anyone else but I think I would still be on guard because you never know how the thirst will be unbearable for any restraints. I think Bella was just happy enough to see Alice that she was not thinking clearly until she realized Alice's actions and eyes. Alice took a risk too by putting Bella on her lap and being motherly. I love the friendship between Bella and Alice. It's empowering despite any form of differences. They are not even the same, light and day. Alice loves being girly and fashionable and Bella could care less until she gives in to Alice's requests of course.

    I cannot wait for New Moon just 8 more days!! And we will all be screaming with enjoyment. I already have my tickets and preparing for massive crowds in the line at the theater. Don't forget in certain places that they will airing Twilight, November 19th. I can see people watching Twilight first that leads right into the midnight showing!! I already noticed the local theater where I go has tickets on sale already.
  • Gemini25
    I'm watching it on the 19th. My coworker took off work but I didn't...I clock out @ 11:30 & the show starts at 11:55..hope I don't get a ticket on my way there! Lol...
  • GottaLoveRob
    I would like to but I want for someone to come with me in case I come up missing in the massive crowd. LOL It is going to be a serious party. Don't get a ticket. haha I can see you cursing at the person who is moving at 10 MPH in front of you. How far is the theater from you? You're not worried about a crowd there? I always like to leave way in advance for a good seat. I already feel in a party mood. YEAHHH Let's get this party started.
  • red_sea
    Bella doesn't see people as people.

    She thinks the vampires are above her and sucks up to them
    She thinks humans are beneath her and looks down on them
  • willow45
    "If I"m going to try to come back again, you're going to have to get something straight, okay?"
    He waited.
    "See," I explained. "I don't care who's a vampire and who's a werewolf. That's irrelevant. You are Jacob, and he is Edward, and I am Bella. And nothing else matters."
    His eyes narrowed slightly. "But I AM a werewolf," he said unwillingly. "And he IS a vampire," he added with obvious revulsion.
    "And I'm a Virgo!" I shouted, exasperated.
    He raised his eyebrows, measuring my expression with curious eyes. Finally he shrugged.
    "If you can really see it that way...."
    "I can. I do."
    "Okay. Just Bella and Jacob. None of those freaky Virgos here."
    From Eclipse.
  • red_sea
    That's a nice passage, and Jacob is the only person Bella has a real relationship with, but it certainly doesn't prove that Bella sees people as people.

    For one thing it's humans Bella has contempt for, not werewolves. Humans with their physical imperfections, their tragic aging, and their love which is seen as shallow compared to the obsessive slavish dependency of the supernaturals.

    Secondly, Jacob is not given free rein to treat Bella however he pleases the way the vampires are. When Jacob behaves inappropriately, he has to apologize and at least attempt an explanation, while Edward is allowed to stalk, sabotage, and kidnap Bella, and she rolls over like a submissive animal.
  • Bella doesn't hate humans, just because she is annoyed with a couple of people doesn't mean she hates everyone. She obviously loves her mom and her dad. She also likes her one friend Angela. And just because she is willing to not see them for a few years doesn't mean she despises them and is shallow. It's quite astonishing how you interpreted these books in a completely opposite way from mostly everyone else.
  • red_sea
    She doesn't hate them. She has contempt for them. She thinks she's better than them.

    She's always describing human activities as trite or shallow. She even dismisses the tourists about to be slaughtered as "shrill" and "vulgar".

    And why do people keep insisting that Bella wouldn'thave to fake her own death in a few years? Unless you want to bolster the argument that Edward just hangs around high schools to stalk underage girls?
  • Regarding the tourists:

    First the definition of shrill "high-pitched and piercing in sound quality." That has nothing to do with looking down on them. It explains the way a voice sounds, it's not demeaning. It explains the woman had a high-pitched voice, that is all. Also, I just re-read that part, no where does she use the word "vulgar" towards those tourists.

    If you notice, she has just left the vampires, who's voices are always seemingly clear and angelic. She explains when she leaves the first sounds she hears. SM uses words like "shrill", "rough", "loud", "course" to show the differences and bring us back into "the real world", so to speak. Personally I think it's quite a genius literary tactic.

    You say she dismisses them and doesn't care for them. Here are some quotes from Bella:

    "I could feel the horrified expression on my face, and the tears beginning to pool in my eyes."
    "But, behind my eyes where the tears could not wash the image away, I could still see the panicked face of the tiny woman with the rosary."
    "'All those people,' I sobbed."
    "'I know,' he whispered."
    "'It's so horrible.'"

    I remember you wrote in another post of yours that during all this Bella is upset because she cannot see his beauty through her tears. But it's not about the beauty,
    "Who knew how much time I had to look at his face? He was saved, and I was saved, and he could leave me as soon as we were free. To have my eyes filled with tears that I could not see his features clearly was wasteful." She fears that by sunset either they were all going to die or Edward was going to leave again. She says this a bit later. She feels this is her last chance to see him, to get the image of him clearly in her mind's eye. But in the next paragraph she brings it back to the people being slaughtered.

    Regarding the faking of her own death. Though that option is brought up, there is the other option which is brought up. That she'd pretend to be away in college while Edward and Alice pretend to be her writing letters to Charlie, until Bella is able to not hurt him.
  • red_sea
    "Well, this is unususal," a man's COARSE voice boomed.

    "So medieval," an UNPLEASANTLY SHRILL, female voice GUSHED back.

    This is how Bella perpetually views humans, as disposable peasants in her disgusting obsession with perfection and status.

    She calls the tears in her eyes wasteful and insanity in her obsession with Edward's perfect face, she thinks about the tourists for all of two sentences and never again. The next time she's bout to cry it's because Edward's going to let her turn THIRTY and "get all old"!

    There is no option to Bella faking her own death within a few years, because she will not age. Again, if you think otherwise, the Cullens have no reason to repeat high school over and over other than to allow Edward to search for underaged brides.
  • lol really? Describing a man's voice as coarse automatically means she sees him as a low-class peasant? That's quite a leap.

    She sees the tears as wasteful because it's obstructing her view of him, so she can see him clearly before (she feels) they die or he leaves. The tears are wasting time. Has nothing to do with how hot he looks, it's about seeing him for the final time.

    She talks about the tourists for more than two sentences. She speaks of how horrible it is, how terrible, how anyone would want to be a part of that. What would you expect her to do in a situation like that? There's nothing she can do. She also almost died herself in that room, she has emotions flying every which way. She still feels her life is in danger, and seeing what happened to the tourists solidifies her belief. She thinks it's horrible, she's scared for her life and those of her friends.

    With the faking of death: I'm not saying she doesn't want to be a vampire in the next few years, I'm saying the only option is NOT to fake her death, therefore caring for her mom and dad. It IS mentioned about pretending to go to college so she doesn't have to fake her death.
  • red_sea
    Bella constantly contrasts human imperfection negatively comared to vampiric perfection,and if you think "coarse" paired with "unpleasantly shrill" and "gushed" aren't negative and elitist descriptors, both you and Meyer need a new thesaurus.

    I'd expect her to give some thought to something outside of her Edward-bubble.

    She's wanted to be a vampire from book one, when she compared it to winning the lottery, and the consistent reason has been her vanity and greed

    If she's going to be a vampire within a few years the ONLY option is to fake her death. What is her other option pretending she never has time to visit her parents of the rest of her life?
    It's a ridiculous cop out.
  • No need to be insulting. Just because I don't see certain adjectives or verbs as being elitist doesn't mean I'm an idiot. Shrill - high pitched. Coarse - rough. Gushed - to speak with enthusiasm. When I first read these words those are the first definitions that popped into my head. The English language is full of words with several meanings. If you choose to take the adjectives and verbs and turn them into something negative then so be it, but my definition is accurate nonetheless.

    She did give some thought to the tourists, to herself, and to Edward. Though she obviously cares more for the person she loves than strangers. If you want to think she is shallow for that, then again that is your choice.

    She did want to be a vampire from book one. The reasoning that it is due to vanity and greed is your interpretation of her love for him. Whereas if one believes in that kind of overpowering love then it would be natural for one to also believe Bella wants to be with Edward because she truly loves him and nothing else.

    The option is not a cop out at all. The option was for her to pretend to go to college until she is able to resist the smell of blood. Then she could live amongst humans like the Cullens. Which means she WOULD be able to see her mom and dad after a few years. Which means she would be able to visit them and therefore not needing to fake any death.
  • red_sea
    It has nothing to do with the smell of blood. The point is she wouldn't have been able to visit her parents because she would have stopped aging.
  • In the beginning it would have to do with the smell of blood. In perhaps 10 years when her parents notices she stops ageing, well, we don't know. It was never discussed and never becomes an issue in BD.
  • Riss<3Twilight
    Bella sees people as people.

    She doesn't think vampires are above her and doesn't suck up to them
    She doesn't think humans are beneath her and doesn't look down on them


    My opinion :)
  • Gypsy0531
    I 2nd that. :)
  • red_sea
    "The contrast between us was painful. He looked like a god. I looked very average even for a human, almost shamefully plain. I flipped the picture over with a feeling of disgust."
  • mlj (Team Pea Coat)
    That quote shows that she feels SHE is not worthy of Edward. She made that fact plain as day in the first few chapters of Twilight. That doesnt say anything about her thinking other humans are beneath her. She is very self-depreciating.

    Perhaps a re-read of the books are in order for you? Just sayin....
  • red_sea
    What the first chapters of Twilight show, is the humans of Forks falling all over themselves to be nice to her while she keeeps up a stream of b****y comments in her head about them. And for the most ridiculous of reasons. She even gets irritated with Jacob because he introduces himself to her by using her full name. She seems to consider herself a princess among the humans.
  • Riss<3Twilight
    Here's the breakdown of that quote:

    "I looked very average" -compared to Edward she doesn't think she can match him. This is understandable because he is a vampire.. and vampires are known for being beautiful.
    (even a human would unknowingly pick a vampire out of a group of human/vampires as the most beautiful)

    " , even for a human" - Compared to a human she still doesn't look any better.. she's "almost shamefully plain".

    You're trying to twist the words, instead of actually understanding what she is saying.
  • red_sea
    You're the one twisting what she's saying in order to make excuses for her.

    She CONSTANTLY obsesses over his beauty. A few pages earlier, she descibes him as a pagan god of beauty, and feels despair.

    She has entirely different standards of behavior for the perfect and imperfect. She certainly wouldn't have been flattered at being stalked and peeped at by an ordinary looking guy.
  • No, your twisting what the author is saying to fit your view of Bella and, well, everyone else in the book. While WE actually agree and understand what the author is trying to say. If you have issues with Stephanie Meyer herself perhaps you need to take that up with her.

    You cannot say she has different standards because no body else in these books treat her the way Edward does. She doesn't mind Edward watching her because she's utterly IN LOVE with HIM, as she states several times. Never does she say she only loves him because he's breathtakingly beautiful.
  • red_sea
    Of course she doesn't say that, because that would mean admitting she was shallow.

    The only times she thinks about anything else is when she's being defensive: when Jessica says how gorgeous he is, and when Jacob questions her shallowness and greed.

    Edward ws peeping at her when they had barely spoken to each other, and she claimed to be "irrevocably" in love with him after one raviolo dinner.

    If YOU can't make an argument without using the agreement of self-selected fangirls as proof, maybe YOU need to broaden your horizons.
  • I've made my argument with you in several threads quite well on my own.

    By me bringing in the opinions of the fans proves my point that the majority who read this saga see it for what the author intended.

    My point is your interpretations go completely against what the own author believes. The reason why Bella never says she only likes Edward due to his looks is because the author didn't write it that way, and was never her intent.

    You said in previous posts that you dislike the author because she doesn't admit to how YOU feel about the characters. Did it occur to you that she doesn't admit any of the sort because she doesn't see it the way you do? That that was never her intent, and the majority of readers agree with her?


    This is a romance story. Like so many in the history of books many are based on "love at first site", just because you do not think it is possible does not make the literature ridiculous.
  • red_sea
    Are you the poster who said you didn't know what a Mary-Sue is? If so, look it up. It explains a lot.

    If Bella is really interested in Edward for something other than his looks and status, Meyer shouldn't have devoted so much time to Bella's endless drooling over every aspect of his physical perfection: his eyes, his arms, his chest, his hair, blah, blah, blah.

    If it were a male character cataloguing a woman's physique this way, people would be laughing their a**es off at the thought this was "true love".
  • Yes that is I. I did look it up, but again it all comes down to your interpretation, not mine.

    Well, I guess I'll have to find some other quotes for you saying other characteristics she loves about Edward, but like the other poster I seriously got to get out of here and get some things done.
  • Riss<3Twilight
    She obsesses over his beauty because she loves him. Yes I think she does overkill it, but the fact that she thinks he's the most beautiful man is partially because she loves him. Remember she is a teenager and even she can't escape the over dramatization of how she feels.

    I think my boyfriend is the most attractive guy I know, by the way.

    You're not looking at everything, you're only looking at what you want to see. I do not make excuses. There have been plenty of times where I have swayed a bit and agreed with you to an extent. This is because I accept that she has FLAWS. You haven't done that at all. You are too set in your mind frame to see what you want to see.. even if it means completely twisting what the text says itself. I have class tonight but I can come back with my book later. There are some past things you have said that I can completely contradict with the text.


    I really hope someone else can help me out here while I'm gone though. lol I KNOW I'm not the only one who disagrees.
  • red_sea
    She thinks she loves him because of his beauty.
    There is nowhere we're given any indication that he's less than stunning. Excuses again.
    She IS melodramatic. She thinks she's "irrevocably" in love, when she has a stupid infatuation.
    I AM looking at everything. I'm looking at what Meyer shows, instead of what self-deluded Bella says.
  • Riss<3Twilight
    So you're basically saying that because she thinks he is beautiful she can't love him?
  • red_sea
    No. It's because she obsesses over his beauty and claims to be "irrevocably" in love with him, and ready to die for him in a ridiculously short period of time.

    Meyer could have made him just as beautiful but spent her page time developing the relationship, instead of on Bella's endless ogling.
  • No, she IS in love with him because of an amalgamation of who he is.
    Yes, he's hot.
    She does not have a stupid infatuation, she loves him.
    I'm looking at everything too, and I see what Meyer shows, and even have gone on her website and have even seen what Meyer's intent was.

    It's clear as glass that you interpreted the books completely different than I, others, and the author intended....
  • red_sea
    Sure. I'm positive she'd declare irrevocable love and be prepared to die over an ordinary looking guy she'd spoken to for about 45 minutes.

    Especially if she found out he'd broken into her bedroom to peep at her when they had barely spoken to each other.

    That would be so sexy.
  • The thing is you don't know what she'd do. So she fell in love with a hot guy. It's the whole love at first site bit. It's fine if you don't believe in it, but that is the story.
  • So she thinks Edward is too good looking for her. Geez, my husband says that to me all the time. I hardly think that he's shallow for it.
  • Riss<3Twilight
    I've gotta go to class.. take over for me ;)
    lol
  • Aye, Aye! :)
  • Riss<3Twilight
    I'm backkkk :) Need a prozac? lol
    just kidding.
  • I think I need something stronger.... lol
  • I love you. Best response ever.
  • I don´t think it is worth getting into discussion with " red sea"
  • You are so right! Too much time wasted on it. :)
  • Riss<3Twilight
    Think it would go away if we stopped feeding the flame?
  • I'm starting to think so! :)
  • Riss<3Twilight
    Alright. I'm done. If I feel the need to say something, I'm coming to find you:P

    If that's ok? lol
  • Riss<3Twilight
    I love you too:D Happy to be of service.
  • That's just your opinion of Bella.
  • Riss<3Twilight
    Sometimes I wish you could use your star as martial law. lol
  • Gypsy0531
    remember me? :)

    It's a lost cause. I've tried to reason only to be told that alice cheats the stockmarket, how the cullens do nothing to protect humanity among other things. lol. I just laugh now. I just don t get it.
  • Riss<3Twilight
    Yes of course I remember you! I know it is, but it's hard to contain. I'm working on it... attempting to really. lol
  • Gypsy0531
    I know. Lol it's crazy. the funny thing is i cant help but read all the comments they are so far out. Not lying to you when i tell you i sit here and laugh. I got such a whacked out response yesterday that i was laughing and laughing. my daughter was looking at me like i was a nut. i think hell will freeze over before we can get her to reason. lol :)
  • The Popper
    LMAO!.. *thinks of Judge Dreed* I AM THE LAW!!
  • I know, right? Hehehe.
  • Riss<3Twilight
    *sigh* I'll never understand it.
  • Becki_Cullen
    Yay!

    ALICE IS BACK!
    Hallelujah!
    :D


    Not long now. : )

    Don't know if anyone has said this yet, but TV Spot Save Her, available on Itunes? Mines downloading now. x]


    Sorry if this was too early to go OT, just thought you ought to know ; )
  • Kasiii.neverforgeT
    in a week from now.

    i'll be crying my bum off.

    my heart is already beating faster.

    HEARTBEATS.

    this is going to be one beautiful week/end.

    handcuffing myself to the theater seat. demanding REPLAYS 24/7
  • jacobluvsbella
    All you may be intrested in Jacob's POV of everything up to this point. SM has it on her site: http://www.stepheniemeyer.com/pdf/nm_extras_jac...
  • willow45
    Thanks jacobluvsbella. I've read it too. I know SM said she was really upset that people just didn't understand Jacob and wrote that to show how much he loves Bella and how his heart is in the right place, but because of his youth he doesn't know how to handle it as well as a 108 year old vampire!
  • I read it. It really gives some insight. You can see where Jacob is coming from.
  • TeamSwitzcob (TRotation/Meg)
    I'd forgotten how hard she was; it was like running headlong into a wall of cement

    Welcome back, Alice. ::snickers:: ;) And I always find it sort of funny that Alice pulls Bella onto her lap and rubs her back. hehe. I would so love to see Kristen sitting on Ashley's lap in the movie! ;)

    Anyway, we see Bella's tears of joy for Alice's return. I had mixed feelings.. I love Alice, and I was waiting to see Edward come back, but I so wanted the J/B thing to go a little further. i can't help it. Of course there's the reprimand from Alice about Bella jumping off the cliff and the discovery of Alice's blindness toward the wolves. The whole sniffing thing made me laugh, too.

    We get to see Bella's desperation when she clings to Alice, unwilling to let her go. And of course Jake calls.. poor guy is all upset. :(

    And poor Charlie.. Charlie trudged slowly up the walk, his eyes on the ground and his shoulder slumped. I walked forward to met him; he didn't even see me until I hugged him around the waist. He embraced me back fiercely.

    The discussion between Charlie and Alice is heartbreaking. All of what he said and noticed about Bella is so sad.. but what really got me was this: "It was night of the living dead around here. I still hear her screaming in her sleep..."

    We find out how Charlie feels about Jacob.. that he's mature for his years because of taking care of Billy; it's obvious he cares about him and you get the impression that he likes the idea of J/B with him stating he's a good-looking kid. Then we get the discovery of Alice's life before she was turned.. would loved to have seem some back story on this in the movie.

    And the chapter ends with the ominous ringing of the door bell. Jacob's back. Dun dun dun. hehe.
  • Yes Charlie makes me tear up in this chapter. I feel so bad for him.
  • GottaLoveRob
    I am with you that I would love to have seen the relationship/friendship develop between Jacob and Bella further as well. I am wonder if Alice had not returned quickly, would the book had gone in this direction? Since we know it didn't, we will be always left wondering. I think if Stephenie Meyer finishes Midnight Sun that she also does a book with Jacob's POV. Also very interesting is how Charlie builds his trust in Alice than any of Bella's friends besides Jacob. Of course we could see him being in favor for Jacob and Bella afterall he respects how Jacob has taken care of Billy, his father, at his young age. Jacob also brought some life into the dead (meaning Bella's depression). I would have prolonged the Jacob and Bella friendship into the 3rd book without Cullens returning just yet. I wanted it to just have time to read about Jacob and Bella becoming closer than just friends. Then it would mean that we would could be reactive to her cheating on Edward. LOL But would it have been cheating if Edward broke up with her?

    Imagine how helpless Charlie must have felt not being able to fully reach his daughter to bring her out of this mourning/heartache. Would have been interesting if Renee flew to try to be there with Bella as well to coax her to feel better. It would have allowed Charlie and Renee to be working together under the same roof to parent their child and care for her doing this difficult time. I hope that New Moon does touches on Alice's life. I do not like how their previous lives go untouched.
  • TeamSwitzcob (TRotation/Meg)
    I really think if he hadn't returned we would have seen a difference in J/Bs relationship. Maybe not immediately, but she was thinking about kissing him, so I don't think it's far off to assume that. Wonder if SM ever commented on that? Hmm.

    A Jake POV book would be interesting.. but if it was very Nessie-centric, too, then I would have a hard time reading it. :\ And as far as Charlie, I think it's part the dazzle effect and the fact that Alice took care of Bella after James attacked her so Charlie didn't have to freak out about it. ;)


    And yeah, it would have been interesting if he came back after J/B got together. lol. And no, definitely not cheating! If this were the case, though, it'd be even harder to read when she makes her choice having been in an actual relationship with both of them!

    And yes, I agree.. I'm surprised Renee didn't stay and try to help. I mean, I know she's kind of flighty and has her husband, but this is her daughter who is apparently suffering. Would definitely have made sense if she stayed for a little while.
  • GottaLoveRob
    haha I guess it means that we all have author minds that we would or could have seen things differently pertaining to Jacob and Bella's r/s (relationship/friendship). I just wanted it to linger awhile between Jacob and Bella. Perhaps Stephenie thought to herself enough already. haha She might be Team Cullen. Does anyone know what Team she's on? If there is a book fully on Jacob, I would hope it emphasizes mostly on his development of his love for Bella, transformation, family, etc. with a touch of Nessie. Overall how he felt once Edward came back into Bella's life and how he has lost her again to him. I felt Jacob liked her in Twilight movie, at the day of prom, he looked at Edward like back off of Bella. I still think she had a love for Jake but not to the extent how she was with Edward. She constantly worried about hurting him.

    *oh I got lost with watching Vampire Diaries* haha

    Back to what I was saying, yes, I fully agree that it would have been nice for Renee to take care of her daughter at the same time it seems she was living her life around Phil, and perhaps did not want to have to be in close proximity with Charlie. Can flick up old flames... I may need to write a fan fic.
  • BooTay aka HOTGUY w/ UNICORN
    O.o are you suggesting that there should have been 5 books?!!!! YOU'RE RIGHT. A true love triangle would have been waaaay m ore exciting, hahaha. It felt a little rushed at a few points for me.
  • GottaLoveRob
    ;) It would have been delightful. I would have wanted SM to slow the pace because it was rushed a bit with their bonding and starting to really feel each other in New Moon meaning Jacob and Bella. It felt snatched away just when I was falling in love with the idea of them together. I wonder if she needed to meet deadline hence the rush atmosphere in the book whereas BD is quite long. By all means she could include a Part 2 edition of New Moon and call it..."__________"

    Maybe she did not want us to lose sight that it was Bella and Edward's destiny instead of Jacob and Bella's. I agree it would have been so juicy. *mind starts playing all the scenes*
  • BooTay aka HOTGUY w/ UNICORN
    eeee....you're getting me excited at the possiblity....oh if only
  • Tiffys17
    Alice!! finally!!

    I loved ur posts, all i can say is that i like that in this chap we can see how Charlie felt when all happend, and a little bit more of what bella went through, and that bella listens and she realized how Charlie felt, is really heartbreaking..

    Jake is being rude again..

    And finally I LOVE ALICE!!!!!!!!!!

    Welcome back!!
  • amelalias
    yay
    i waited for ur post 4 hours
    and yessssssssssssssssssssssssssss
    Alice , our beloved Alice is back , i think when she is back , i start to feel a relief . But there is something that have bothered me in this chapter,
    Why would Alice wait in the dark house for Charlie , he didnot know that she is a vampire , and her standing there will give him a heart attack. she should have waited for Charlie to come back and then she will knock his door?
  • Ahhhh I just read that part lastnight!!! I forgot how much I wanted to hug Alice tooo!

    Although I always feel soo bad for Jacob....he JUST rescued her yet Bella jumps at the opportunity to go to the Cullens - twice...

    Jacob knows how much Bella loves them but there's something ingrained in him that vampires are his enemy..Even Alice get's testy - saying it's better she leave than stay when Jacob is at the door. Page 403.
  • willow45
    I just for the life of me don't understand why everyone thinks Jake is so awful for being bent out of shape when Bella throws him aside like like an old used up dirty tissue. He and the wolf pack have been bending over backwards, giving up their days and nights of missed precious sleep to keep her safe. I do think Jake is a little ridiculous with his over-protection of her with the Cullens (but I know we're all a little ridiculous when we're sixteen and in love) but I think he's been so supportive of her emotional neediness and giving her whatever she needs while taking the scraps she throws him in stride. What a blow this was to him. He was so close. She was just going to kiss him the night before. After HE SAVED HER LIFE! How could you begrudge him a little brattiness? It was well-deserved. And as we all know, instead of completely cutting him loose, she strings him selfishly along for the next two books......poor Jake.
  • enviro
    I understand why he's so hurt -- despite what he knows, there's what he hopes. But if he's observant enough to know she doesn't listen to music any more, how has he missed that she is still all about Edward? Yes she was thinking about it, but what pulled her back in the car -- his voice. She is hearing it because she still loves him and still believes he loves her. She is so not ready to move on. He knows it. Love Jacob, but this is not brain surgery.
  • Gypsy0531
    Love Jacob, but this is not brain surgery.

    lol. yes i agree with everything you said.
  • BooTay aka HOTGUY w/ UNICORN
    Yea, this is more heartbreak for me and my Jakey. The poor boy who gave so much...his poor heart is just being torn left and right. Grrr Bella so much sometimes. Quit being so selfish. I know, I know this series is ALL ABOUT BELLA...but she is so selfish sometimes in the most ridiculous ways. Ahh well...just re-reading brings back my anger. I'm actually more angry the 3rd time around, lol.
  • GottaLoveRob
    I was actually enjoying how Jacob and the wolf pack was doing all they could to help protect Bella and Forks. I do not understand why Bella would allow herself to be so close to where she could have been desiring him and what it would be like to be with him. Then she flips out and starts distancing herself also getting into arguments with Jacob. It's like she was willing to only give in so much before she was ready to just run away again. I think to some extent Bella was being very selfish in regards to Jacob and all he was doing and giving her. If he gives her the cold shoulder, she would wander and did not understand why he was being like this. *Sitting at their favorite tree on the beach* Then she was not fully recognizing what he was having to deal with after finally transformation into a wolf. (the scene in Edward's meadow I like in the book where she sees the wolves, and the russet wolf who eyes she remembers). Now I have to make sure I don't get the color of their furs mixed up. I know Sam's is the black wolf, but I got to remember Jared and Embry. I hope they show Quil a lot in this movie. He seems to be missing in mostly everything advertised and interviewed. What gives?!
  • Bitten_Pillows
    Well said! I completely agree with everything you've just said. So what that he blows her off on the phone...obviously he cared enough to call to see if she was still alive. After all she was going into a house with a vampire! He's reacting the way every person would in his case.
  • AnnieAnde
    Why I forgive him and am still team Jacob... Poor baby. :(
  • THAT'S why i said I’m going to leave it alone, the boy is hurting enough
  • willow45
    Thank you! :) LOL
  • IndiesR
    Yay! This is where I start reading again. hehehehee
  • xxTeamTywardxx
    This is where the good stuff finally starts hehe
  • When I first read this chapter I was so relieved...All this time I've been waiting for the Cullens to come back...I couldn't even enjoy the book until I found out B and E will be together again...Only the second time I read NM i was able to read it thoroughly
  • me too...I didn't have to wait at all...we were so lucky
  • enviro
    Agreed. I read it when all 4 were already out so I knew they would be back together but still -- it's like the sun comes out, ironically
  • B ~ Honey-Lilac-And-Sun
    Alice is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    and Edward isnt THAT far away!!!!!!!!!!
  • Alllllllllllliiiiiicccceeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ONE MORE WEEK!!!!!

    My favorite part in this chapter is hearing Charlie and Alice talk about Bella and the suffering she went through. Charlie even says she is not normal, and she's not. She NEEDS Edward!
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    Had to come and find you for our moment!
    *jumps up and down*
    I read this last night as I was winding down in bed...fastest chapter so far!
    Wanna know why?
    A mazing
    L ovely
    I ntuitive
    C harming
    E theral
  • I read this last night when I was winding down too!  lol  It took me longer though, cause I always re-read the parts I love, this chapter was read twice!  lol


    Bring on Italy!!!  Volturi!!!  EDWARD!!!
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    First we have to go through the TORTUROUS plane ride...I will skim this!
    *shouts*
    Edward...we're coming!!! Don't do anything stupid!
    LOL!
  • Oh, I like the plane ride.  You get a lot of insight and it is suspenseful!  lol
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    I don't like the suspense..it gives me anxiety! LOL! Even though I know it all works out okay, I still get all nervous and anxious!
    *facepalm*
  • Me too!  The emotions I go through with this book is crazy!
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    Steph is amazing!
    Oh! Don't forget to watch Oprah tomorrow!
  • I'll be at work, but I'll try to see it on my break!  I'm counting on NMM to have a vid of it though.  :)
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    Oh they will!
  • awww really nice ALICE! ALICE! ALICE!
  • Flowers_and_Cookies (Patzy)
    The sun is out and the birds are singing!!!
    YAY!!!!!
  • Cjean!!
  • Hey!!! I am so excited for the next week! Italy, here we come!!!
  • team get Bella preggers
    I wonder if the movie will have her back story since they left it out in Twilight?
  • they might. the directors are always trying to find some kind of way to cut down the movie to an "acceptable" time. they keep saying they dont want the movie to run over too much over 2 hours.

    but it doesn't matter to me. i stay and watch NM if it was 3 hrs.
  • Gemini25
    With a fanbase this huge, they should know we'd all be willing to watch a 3 hr movie! LOL. Wasn't the Lord of the Rings movies outrageously long? I'd pay to watch a 3 hr movie about my obsession...
  • GottaLoveRob
    x2
    When they make it extra good, it will equal a bigger fan base and more $$$. Investment people. I'm sure it takes a great deal of time for producers, directors, actors/tresses, and the whole behind the scene crew. We are diehard here.
  • GottaLoveRob
    I agree 100%. Who cares if it is 3 hours long as long as most of the book is covered if possible. Those lifestories should not be left out under any reason.
  • I<3 SparklyBoys
    I really hope they don't leave the back stories out in the rest of the movies like they did twilight that angered me
  • GottaLoveRob
    I agree because these early stories of their life before the became vampires are SO IMPORTANT. I was quite upset about the left out of Carlisle's life along with others mentioned. They only gave flashbacks on what happened to Edward and Esme. One would not think it would take as long to prepare these lifestories because it is a very important aspect to all the characters. I already sense that they *hopefully* will not be leaving out Jasper Hale and Rosalie Hale's life story because I know they have selected an actor and actress to play Maria as well as Rosalie's husband in Eclipse (I cannot remember his name off the top of my head).
  • Gemini25
    Coming from someone who fell in love with the movie first and then read the books and fell hopelessly in love with the saga, I was sorely disappointed. I get angry when I watch Twilight now, b/c I feel like it's missing too much. Carlisle's history explains WHY they are the way the are...and the bit about Alice's history is important, too, especially when you consider James other reason for killing Bella: they got Alice so he gets Bella. The movie is great for the most part but if there was ever a remake, they'd have to put these parts in..
  • GottaLoveRob
    Love your AVI btw. ;) I certainly agree because it was the same for me as well. I did not read the books before I saw the movie. When I went to read all this fine details about the background and their development of who they are today, I was like how could CH and any other directors on this film choose to lose such important facts out of the movie. I mean we love the love dynamic happening but I also want some history as well. I think many of us will be able to get a clearer picture to understanding the characters as we read in the book on the film itself. Someone should go back and fix this now. Twilight jump over a lot. Though I still like the movie, I wished as you and perhaps others for more of their history. Even Bella's history how we know she took care of her mother and watch over her most of the time. She did not really have someone to raise her. After the reading the book, I understand why Bella is the way she is.
  • yasmin1028
    OMG I so agree with you as well. I saw the previews for Twilight at the movies, and thought to myself this look pretty interesting, seeing that I go to the movie all the time. So when it came out I saw it and I loved it. Then I found out about the books and brought all 4 of them at once. I wasn't gonna get Twilight because I saw the movie already, but then I realized it will most likely be better than the movie, so I read it. I can officially say that having read the books I got obsessed with then, to the point where I stayed up til like 3am sometimes because I couldn't put the book down.

    You're so right they should have given us Carlise backstory just like everyone else's. Then the whole Alice story with james. I mean come on, how could they have left all those important parts out????

    It was still a great movie and I still Love It!!! But I would have LOVED it even more if they stuck to the book a little more.

    I hope New Moon doesn't drift from the book as much, I know it can't be exactly like the book, but why not its such a great series.
  • AnnieAnde
    • Alice is back!! Yay!! I love Alice the most right now, because I’m still pissed at Bella for jumping off a freaking cliff, and breaking Jacob’s heart, and for being pathetic shrew for 7 months straight... Sorry, guys.
    • Anyway, Alice is back and she has the same thought I did when Bella said, “You saw me fall.” *Alice throws up the b.s. flag* “No. I saw you jump.” Because you did, dammit. Alice gives her a nice little berating session, which I was waiting on Jake to give her, but he was happy she was alive, so free pass. I love how Bella tries to backtrack with a psychic. I’m mean really? I’m just saying…
    • Alice can’t see werewolves. Boo. Hey, there is only so much a seer can see before the plot goes to hell… Good call, Stephenie. I salute you.
    • Alice finds out about Victoria and Laurent. Ooohh… And she was PISSED. Good. Blame it on your stupid brother and his morals. I’m still a little angry that he left Bella in the first place. I know why he did it and all, but still. Stupid boys. And because he left and made it so Bella couldn’t even tell her best friend and would-be family goodbye, Bella is certifiably nuts. I love this line, “It was like someone had died – like I had died. Because it had been more than losing the truest of true loves, as if that were not enough to kill anyone. It was also losing a whole future, a whole family – the whole life that I’d chosen…” Even the thought of Alice leaving sends her into hysterics.
    • I love the warring emotions here. Every time I read this line, I adore Bella a little bit more, “What did you think you were going to find? I mean, besides me dead? Did you expect to find me skipping around and whistling show tunes?” I laughed a little here at Bella’s sarcasm. And this one, “Then I guess I don’t have the corner in the idiocy market.”
    • Charlie’s description of Bella makes my heart break a little. Not only had she not fooled him, his worry for her was paramount. I am so happy Stephenie put this in here because it shows how much Charlie really cares. He did try to protect her, tried to get her help… At least he did try. I agree that his methods weren’t the best and he should have gotten her some more help or tracked down Alice, or something, but I understand and he isn’t the oblivious moron I thought he was.
    • Jake comes back, but it is angry Jake. You can just tell by the doorbell. Boo.
  • Gemini25
    Great comments...the part about the showtunes is my absolute favorite. And I like the quote about "losing a whole future"...I probably would have snapped, too. And this is where I began to strongly dislike Jacob...I don't begin to hate him until Eclipse though :)
  • enviro
    And what I love abt that exchange is how stoic Bella is. She really is not a martyr who wants to show off her pain. "It hasn't been easy, I'm working on it" -- something like that. Sheesh -- I would be like "you guys practically killed me!"
  • i really did like the bella show tunes quote. it lightened up the chapter a little b4 jacob came in ruined the alice and bella happy day. but i guess u cant blame him- bella goes right back alice and he's pissed
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    Nicely said - Bella's quote about someone dying is one of my favourites as well... :D
  • ANNIEEEEEEEEEEEEE
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    agree with vego vamps!
  • Nice job again today MEC!! =D
    You're my hero....
  • Hey Annie!! Right on chica. Love your thoughts on Bella's comments to Alice. I seriously love her sarcasm. And I'm still aggravated at her for the stupid cliff-diving incident too. Not only that but it was at such an inconvenient time for everyone around her. But it woke her up so I guess we should be happy for that...
  • Alice came back! yay!

    EDIT: okay, so a few points in this chapter.
    1. ALICE CAME BACK!- who cant be happy about that. at first though when ever bella saw the culen car i thought it was gonna be carlisle or edward. that didn't happen
    2. ALICE was sniffing bella- when i first read the part about alice sniffing her i thought she was going to bite her and drink her blood. my imagination ran away frm me then. i was way off. alice was just trying to figure out why bella stunk so much. because of jacob. "that would explain the smell."-Alice.
    3. "BElla, you look like hell"-Alice. Alice comes back to check on bella to see that she is a complete train wreck.
    4. ALICE and Charlie talking- I liked how we got some insight on how Bella was really acting during her 4 month zombie-period. i felt so bad for charlie actually wanted to cry, but i didn't.
    5. JACOB- jacob comes knocking on the door and we find out that alice cant see jake or any other werewolves. i hated that jacob and alice couldn't get along
  • GottaLoveRob
    Yes me too I was hoping that Alice and Jacob would get along for the sake of Bella. They are both loyal to their own family. You know Jacob's thoughts of her as the "enemy clan." I was also hoping that they discussed what happened a century ago between the Quileutes and nomadic vampires who came into their tribe. How the spirit of the Quileutes as in brotherhood became very strong also the sacrificing of the wife to save her son.
  • Crackward Team Adult Pictures
    Dang it.

    EDIT: #8 Not bad. I need to go read this chapter now.
  • Let me just begin by saying... I'm moving to Washington State!!!!!!!!!!! The hubby just got orders for the USS Abraham Lincoln in Everett, WA!! I'm super pumped. Ok on to Chapter 17.

    Finally at long last we get to see a Cullen again. Didn't think this moment was ever going to get here. I remember my uber excitement when I read this for the first time when I realized Alice was in Bella's living room. I was beyond ecstatic and was probably squeeling in the chair I was sitting in. I love how Bella, for the most part, picks right back up where she left off with Alice like nothing really ever happened. And even though the severity of the situation is lurking right around the corner, Alice is quite funny here.
    Pg. 385 Something was bothering her -- her imperfect vision? But I wasn't sure. Then she deliberately leaned in and sniffed my shoulder. I froze. "Don't be rediculous," she muttered, sniffing at me some more. LOL
    Then again on pg 387 "Leave it to you, Bella. Anyone else would be better off when the vampires left town. But you have to start hanging out with the first monsters you can find."

    I love Charlie in this chapter as well. He is so excited to see Alice again but he's very concerned about what her visit means. Is she leaving soon? Will Bella go back to her catatonic zombie state? And *gulp* the worst of all, is Edward coming back too?? Charlie's protective dad side comes out very well here. You can hear the sadness in his voice as he relates to Alice what happened in their absence.

    And I had all but forgotten about tidbits of info we're given on Alice's human life. Guess that got lost in all the drama of everything else that was going on. =D That was nice to see again. Sad though what happened to her. Apparently they considered you dead if you were "insane."

    And I must add that stoopid Nor'Easter "Ida" knocked out my power for 2 hours and I was flipping out. Thought I was going to miss the post today! LOL hahaha =D With this weather the past 2 days I feel like I really am in Forks.
  • They better put the scene between Charlie ands Alice!
    If they don't I will seriously freak!
    O don't feel too bad the Nor'Easter kicked my power off for alomst 3 hrs.
  • I know that is one of my favorite scenes! I love me some Charlie Swan LOL
  • yasmin1028
    I really hope they have the scene when they're on the plane as well as when they land and all the Cullens are waiting for them at the airport. I soooo hope those scenes are in the movie.
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    yeh i really hope that scene is in the movie!!!
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    congrats, Veggie! You can say you live in the same state as the Cullens & Bella? woohoo!!

    Nice, I love your thoughts about what Charlie was going through...
    *squee!* Alice is BACK! :D
  • I know right. Maybe I can even sneak up to Vancouver when they film BD!! Oh yeah I said it, cause it IS going to happen LOL....
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    ummm... somehow, I don't think a rampaging veggie is going to "sneak" anywhere... LMAO :D
  • LMAO.... I'm pale.. maybe they'll think I'm an extra!!!
  • ClareB
    HOORAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Tia_jb10 (Team Pants Explode!)
    5th again woot woot =]]]
  • Alice is back!!!!!!!
  • lozzaaacullen
    3rd?

    Yesss! Gotta be the closest to first i've ever been :D
    And, HELL, I loved this chapter, even though it made me cry when Charlie was telling Alice about what it had been like when Edward left. And when Alice talks about leaving. I just can't stand the thought, even though i know she doesn't. Not without Bella, at least :)
  • YES!! That part was soooo sad. I felt really bad for Charlie there.
  • lozzaaacullen
    I know right :(
    OMG, congrats on moving to WASHINGTON! How close to Forks??!
  • Mapquest says 142 miles... lol... this excites me!
    *does happy dance*
  • GottaLoveRob
    How far from Vancouver, Washington?
  • I'll be in Everett, WA. That's all I know right now lol. I've never been to Washington before so I don't know much about it. (Other than what SM has told us anyway).
  • team get Bella preggers
    2nd
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    1st? WOOHOO!!!! I wuz beginning to think you'd died! Sorry RL is making it long for you - fantastic commentary today, Bashy! Bravo! I do believe you win for longest comment ever! :D OK, here's mine:

    SHE’S BACK!!! ALICE IS BACK!!! *does the Jackson happy dance* SQUEEE!! OK, now that I’ve got that out of my system… *giggles*

    Poor Alice. Confusion is not something she is either used to or happy about. Having seen Bella jump, seeing her stand in front of her would be just… I can’t imagine.

    “I’d forgotten how exuberant you are.”
    “Oh, sorry.”
    “It’s my own fault. It’s been too long since I hunted. I shouldn’t let myself get so thirsty. But I was in a hurry today. Speaking of which, would you like to explain to me how you’re alive?”

    *sigh* I have MISSED Alice! Her explanation of what she saw, and her one-sided conversation (“I told him this would happen…”) – it’s just so nice to have her back! I must say, that SM is very clever. There are several times in this chapter where Alice nearly mentions just how much Edward loves Bella still. “Do you have any idea what Edward –” and Bella cuts her off.

    I LOVE this part:
    “Your best friend is a werewolf?” I nodded sheepishly.
    “How long has this been going on?”
    “Not long, he’s only been a werewolf for just a few weeks.”
    “A young werewolf? Even worse! Edward was right – you’re a magnet for danger. Weren’t you supposed to be staying out of trouble?”
    “There’s nothing wrong with werewolves.”
    “Until they lose their tempers. Leave it to you, Bella. Anyone else would be better off when the vampires left town. But you have to start hanging out with the first monsters you can find.”

    And then, Bella mentions Victoria & Laurent. And tells Alice as much as she’s going to about what’s happened.

    “Our leaving didn’t do you any good at all did it?”
    “That was never the point, though, was it? It’s not like you left for my benefit.”
    Alice scowled at the floor for a moment.

    OK, here’s our chance to see just how close Alice and Edward are. For, even though she thinks he was wrong in leaving, she deliberately doesn’t say anything when Bella comments on their reason for leaving. She points out the bad idea of her coming. She is fully intending NOT to tell Bella that Edward still loves her, and of attempting to set things back the way Edward wanted them. Not because she doesn’t love Bella – she came running the second she saw what happened – but because she loves Edward. They are truly brother and sister in spirit.

    “You look like hell, Bella.”
    “I drowned today,” I reminded her.
    “It goes deeper than that. You’re a mess.”
    I flinched. “Look, I’m doing my best.”
    “What do you mean?”
    “It hasn’t been easy. I’m working on it.”
    She frowned. “I told him,” she said to herself.
    “Alice,” I sighed, “What did you think you were going to find? I mean, besides me dead? Did you expect to find me skipping around and whistling show tunes? You know me better than that.”
    “I do. But I hoped.”
    “Then I guess I don’t have the corner on the idiocy market.”

    Jake’s phone call. Short, abrupt and painful. But at least he called… Alice agreeing to stay for a while – although, she does point out to Bella that she has a house, when she sees Bella’s reaction, she decides to stay with her anyway. Oh. And the whole “smell” thing is just funny. Poor Bella, checking herself, not realizing that werewolves and vampires hate the smell of each other – kind of cute.

    Bella and Alice’s conversation after Alice comes back from hunting is sad. When she asks Alice about Edward, her automatic assumption that he is “out enjoying his distractions” makes me ache. She so truly believes that he doesn’t love her anymore. And once again, Alice doesn’t clear up that wrong assumption.

    When Charlie returns, and he and Alice talk together, I am once again so heartbroken for all that Charlie went through. The bottom of page 395, all the way through to page 399… his description of everything that happened is wrenching. Bella throwing the fit when Renee came to get her, her zombie-like state of living… it’s just so sad!

    Alice’s story of her past. I wish they’d show this in the movie, but given that they never had James tell Bella anything in the first movie, I don’t see how they could work this in without it being unnatural. I’m so glad she found some things out, but saddened that she’ll never have al of the answers she needs. That sucks.

    Alice’s quiet interrogation of Bella as she cleans shows her feelings for her best friend. She’s gotten what information she could from Charlie, and is now going about to see for herself just how badly Bella has been coping with everything. When the doorbell rings, poor Alice’s frustration brings a new development to light. She can’t see werewolves? Huh. That’s interesting… “Trust me – it wouldn’t be a good idea to have me and Jacob Black in a room together.” Talk about foreshadowing!

    Alice is back, Alice is back! :D
  • Hitchy
    And the award for the longest post EVER goes to... SNOWY!!! congrats! (just don't drop it like Kristen did with her popcorn!)

    EDIT:
    OK, now that I've read it I totally agree with all that you said. Yes, this chapter is pivital for so many reasons. It explains/defines so many relationships and the whole "Alice can't see werewolves" phenomenon!

    Unfortunately we got to see a lot of Alice eating her own words "Don't underestimate Bella." Every single thing Edward thought he was protecting Bella from came to "get" her when he left and she handled it (albeit poorly at times), but she did it... . It's sad to see just how much Edward underestimated her feelings for him... "one small tree to the entire forest", and Alice was a firsthand witness to just how wrong he was and the agony his assumption cost Bella, her best friend. She bore the brunt of it, with Bella and with Charlie. And she did not defend her brother, although it it hurt her deeply not to.

    As a best friend, and sister, there is no one that can top Alice.
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    Thank you, thank you, thank you... *leans in to kiss hitch* let me get rid of my gum first...
    *turns away at last minute* :D
  • Hitchy
    was that Hubba Bubba... you could have kept it
    *wink*
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    HOLY HALE, how did I miss your AMAZING AVI!?!?!

    LOL - where did you find it! It's just TOO perfect!!!
  • Hitchy
    Don't you just LOVE IT?!?! TSO gave it to me as a "Get Well Soon" gift (I had surgery a week ago). It made me so happy I just HAD to make it my avi!

    *sends TSO a big, vampy hug and a HUGE bag of sparkly sprinkles*

    Unicorn cupcake anyone?
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    it. is. divine.

    you had surgery? I hope you're recovering OK!

    LOL - she made me a new & improved avi, you hafta check it out!



    oh yes, TSO deserves LOTS of special things... ;)
  • Hitchy
    I've been admiring yours too! Isn't TSO a great twi-friend? You guys are the best! No one "gets" it like you do!

    Thanks for asking about the surgery. Aside from TSO making me laugh hysterically earlier this week and almost making me pop a couple stitches... things are great!

    *sends Snowy a big hug and a unicorn cupcake*
    For u my friend! *winks*
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    Too true, my twi-friends are my lifeline in so many ways...



    LOL - laughing after surgery is BAD. Would you like me to punish TSO for you? Oh. Wait. She'd enjoy that...

    *takes bite of unicorn cupcake* mmmmm.... It's so nice to get one when I'm always giving mine away! *hugs hitch back* ;)
  • love your analysis. gotta start reading N.M. again
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    A PLUS! awesome thesis... and why are you sorry? I'm not! ;)
  • LOL! thanks. :D
  • Gemini25
    Great post & great comments. I became a fan after I watched the movie and I was really disappointed that they left Alice's history out...so I agree with you that they can't have this in NM movie; it'd be really weird. It took me FOREVER to get past how Bella felt at this point & to understand exactly what was going on with all of Alice's half comments about Edward...but your analysis makes sense and I agree with it. I like how SM throws in exactly what happened last September (although I was confused the first time I read NM; maybe b/c I was reading so fast). I think it did Bella some good to find out just how bad she made her parents feel, especially Charlie. He just got her back in his life & she turns into a zombie within a year of living with him?! That's got to be really hard to deal with. BTW, love the part about "whistling showtunes"....geez, what did they really expect? Lol...
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    “Our leaving didn’t do you any good at all did it?”
    “That was never the point, though, was it? It’s not like you left for my benefit.”
    Alice scowled at the floor for a moment.

    OK, here’s our chance to see just how close Alice and Edward are. For, even though she thinks he was wrong in leaving, she deliberately doesn’t say anything when Bella comments on their reason for leaving. She points out the bad idea of her coming. She is fully intending NOT to tell Bella that Edward still loves her, and of attempting to set things back the way Edward wanted them. Not because she doesn’t love Bella – she came running the second she saw what happened – but because she loves Edward. They are truly brother and sister in spirit.


    YOU COULDNT HAVE SAID IT ANY BETTER
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    Thanks. I really liked that A&E were so close.
  • ice_cold_fanpire
    SH - you are a genius.. i wake up every morning to these posts and am pretty much gonna miss them like crazy once the book is finished!!
  • Wolfi ♥(TEAM LEAH &TOMBAH)
    yaay snowy!!!..

    *sits comfortably on sofa near the fire place..ok now lets read..*

    ALICE IS BACK....even the wolf girls should be excited bout that!!...

    and i agree with everything
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    I hope your fire didn't go out before you were done reading... ;)

    Yeah, the wolf girls should like Alice - after all, she's... well... she's ALICE! :D
  • samlovesedward25
    Hey hey its Friday 5.45am in Australia we have exactly 5 days and about 23 hours to go until New Moon is released im hanging in there with re-reading the chapters this is one of my faves when Alice comes back I love her so much....I love how deep the relationship between Bella and Alice is explained here its almost like Edward and Bellas relationship I dont think that Bella can live without either of them although the loss of Edward is most painful for her. Keep going count down the days bring on New Moon
  • Want_a_Mc_Sparkly
    I know I'm so excited :D I'm Aussie too. In vic, going to a midnight showing on the 18th... or 19th technically, this big outdoors event in werribee.... about 2000 people they think.
  • samlovesedward25
    You will get it a couple hours ahead of me Sparkly hehehe yeah i think theres 8 different midnight screenings or 12.01am 19th/11 in Perth here its totally awesome. And Snowy there will be no rub ins if I were in the same situ I would hope no1 would do it to me we are all fans and should show the same respect and all
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    *sigh* you lucky thing! one week here... :D
  • samlovesedward25
    sorry you have to wait sooooooooo long snowy I think they should have accounted for the time zone differences because other fans such as yourself have to wait longer I mean Australia are like the first country in the world to get it for that reason. Thats ok I will make sure when I see it next week I only post how good it is and not what happened so its still awesome for everyone else
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    aw, thx! I appreciate that... *snort* don't rub it in or anything... ;)
    Meh, we're just 7 days and 4 1/2 hours away! WOOHOO! :D
  • jacobluvsbella
    All you may be intrested in Jacob's POV of everything up to this point. SM has it on her site: http://www.stepheniemeyer.com/pdf/nm_extras_jac...
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    It's awesome, isn't it? I love all of SM's outtakes!
  • The Popper
    i haven't done anything special.. but.. can i have a cookie?!.. Today was a hard day.. all work and no nmm.em.. *pouts*
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    Aww, my Popper had a bad day?! *gives big wolf hug* I'm SO sorry to hear that darlin'... Snowy'll make it all better for you! *passes over tray of ULTIMATE unicorn cupcakes and baggie with unicorn cookies in it* There, there, it'll be OK... *rubs Popper's back* would you like some chocolate milk, too? :D
  • The Popper
    .. *continues to pout*.. yes please.. lol
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    See how much I love you? It is 2 am and I am getting you your chocolate milk. Enjoy! ;)
  • The Popper
    *kisses* ... i love you too.. hey, do u know how hard it is to find a unicorn these days!?.. lol..
  • AngelStartedMeONVamps
    My favorite part of the chapter has to be the line that Alice said about when they left Bella found the first monsters she could find.

    Again, another amazing post! And I love them long!
  • That line seriously cracks me up everytime I read it. So true though, Bella is such a danger magnet.
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    There are so many awesome lines in this chapter, eh?

    And thank you! ;)
  • AngelStartedMeONVamps
    That is true! It's a pretty great chapter!
  • SNOWY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I've been looking forward to talking to you today.. =D *does happy dance*
    And as always I agree. And I feel so bad for poor Charlie....
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    Hale yeah. Between the intial months, then the temporary breakup between Jacob & Bella, and now this?! You know, I'm almost surprised HE'S not the one who had a heart attack with all he's been through in the past year...
  • SO TRUE!! And we think Bella has problems!!! LMAO hahaha I bet if he'd seen this coming he would have said "ummm stay with Renee!"
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    *snort* yeah. I can see it now! "You know, I am quite comfortable with long-distance parenting. It's OK!" LMAO
  • LOL... Charlie is too funny. Billy cracks me up to on-screen. (Love him as Charlie).
  • BRAVO SNOWY!!! *stands up throws roses* !!
  • i was a bit shocked with jacob's phone call too. but i understand him better now. he's trying to not show emotion. thats all. i know a lot of people are like that. and the reason he's so blunt and quick to the point and just hurtful sometimes is cos he doesn't or didn't understand Bella's love for edward and the cullens also cos he's very impulsive, and less control of his emotions than other people. he wears his heart on his sleeve. he'll always protect bella and be there for her when she needs him but he has a treaty to uphold, a pack to be with, a duty to protect man kind from vampires, his mortal enemies. he'll always love bella that much is true. and maybe, just maybe, he knew: whether consciously or unconsciously, whether he liked it or not, if she was close to the cullens for a long time and they never hurt her before, he could trust in the fact that bella will not die in that moment lol. besides, when your pissed and fly off the handle, your instinct (or mine when i disgree with someone) is to leave (them) for a while and just let them be (or in this case, try and not phase in front of a human where you can seriously hurt her, kill her, destroy the house). cos you can't control people and make them change their minds. you can try and persuade them, but if they don't budge you just gotta leave them be and let them make their own mistakes by themselves. bella is stubborn (so is jacob sometimes) and he knows that. lol. so yeah thats my analytical thesis: in defense of jacob black. do i get an A? and a sticker? :D
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    LOL - thank you! *bows all around* thank you, thank you, thank you...

    I didn't add my speech, I thought it was long enough... I do believe I am rubbing off on you, darlin'! :D *catches rose and holds in teeth while doing Jackson happy dance*
  • I think we should all wear blue(Edward's favorite color) when we reach chapter 20 when they go to Italy!
  • *goes to closet and picks out blue shirt*
    Blue shirt CHECK!! =D
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    Great idea!! *writes on calendar* Wear BLUE on Sunday!! ;)
  • ROBPATTZ_WIFEY...Jake WHO??
    I Like it! :-)
  • ROBPATTZ_WIFEY...Jake WHO??
    YAY SNOWY!!!! I haven't read a thing but I will and I will comment!
  • ROBPATTZ_WIFEY...Jake WHO??
    Bravo Snowy and Mrs.EC. You guys Rocked it! Yes I was so relieved when Alice reappeared in the story. I think I cried for joy! That's how depressed I was reading New Moon. Bella's Happiness made me happy.
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    *SNORT* well, I know dang well you haven't read it, cuz it hasn't been posted long enough! ;)
  • Crackward Team Adult Pictures
    LOL There's the long arse post I was expecting from you.
  • ROBPATTZ_WIFEY...Jake WHO??
    Extra Extra!!
    MADRID PRESS CONFERENCE!!!!


    http://en.twilightpoison.com/movies/new-moon-th...
  • Snowy 05/09 Remember Rob!
    *snort!* long arse... :D
  • Crackward Team Adult Pictures
    Congrats Snowy!
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