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Let’s Re-Read New Moon Together! Chapter 9

by MrsEdwardCullen on November 4, 2009 · Comments

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We are on chapter 9 of our countdown that means 16 more days until the release of New Moon. (It’s coming folks, just a little while longer!)  Join us by reading a chapter a day together.  So in order to help pass the time while we wait for New Moon to be released, I will continue to post a thread everyday for each chapter in the book, counting down the days until the official release of the film on November 20th.

Chapter 9: Third Wheel

In this chapter, I feel Bella should have been a bit more tactful with regard to Jacob & his feelings towards her, basically she could’ve been a bit more convincing because the kid feels overconfident in being able to win her over. At the same time, Jacob sets himself up for heartbreak.  Bella shuts him down & yet he still comes back for more and that’s the foundation of their relationship throughout the entire saga. Bella tells Jacob no, but he doesn’t care, he pursues her relentlessly again and again, then gives her attitude when she doesn’t return his love the way he wants her to.   Bella also adds fuel to the flame by continuously being there everyday, acting basically like a girlfriend to Jacob…an unfair situation for the both of them, she needs him & he wants her.  But you play with fire and you will get burned every time…

These are some quick favs of mine in this chapter:

  • Jacob finishes “The Rabbit” yayyyyyyyyy!
  • I think it’s hilarious to picture Jacob & Bella riding in the front of the rabbit, while poor Mike is the third wheel sitting in the back lol. Mike is forced to steal Bella’s attention by putting his face on her seat, nearly touching her cheek! Gosh this kid can’t take a hint, whats with these Forks guys?
  • Pg. 212 this is where Jacob could’ve saved himself  two and a half books of heartache.   Sure enough as soon as I sat down, he shifted over to put his arm around my shoulders.  “Jake,”  I protested, leaning away.  He dropped his arm, not looking bothered at all by the minor rejection.  He reached out and took my hand firmly, wrapping his other hand around my wrist when I tried to pull away again.  Where did he get the confidence from?  “Now, just hold on a minute, Bella,” he said in a calm voice.  “Tell me something.” ”What?” “You like me, right?”  “You know I do.”  “Better than that joker puking his guts out in there?” “Yes.”  “Better than any of the guys you know?”  “Better than the girls, too.”  “But thats all.”   It was hard to answer, to say the word.  Would he get hurt and avoid me?  How would I stand that?  “Yes,” I whispered.   “That’s okay, you know.  As long as you like me best.  And your think I’m good looking-sort of.  I’m prepared to be annoyingly persistent.”  And that he is, gosh.   Sidebar:Mistake 1,785,204.  At this point Bella should’ve let Jacob down gently, but firmly.  I personally don’t think it would’ve been too bad, he already has one up on poor Mike Newton who was in the bathroom puking up his entire insides.  Like I said Bella used no tact when it came to Jacob or his feelings.  It would’ve behooved her to do so, but once again I feel she was being selfish because then she would be alone if Jake decided to cut her off completely for not reciprocating on those feelings. 
  • Pg. 213 Bella does try,  but I feel it’s a little too late.  This is where Jacob sets himself up for heartache as well.  “I’m not going to change.”  “It’s still the other one isn’t it?”  “You don’t have to talk about it.”  “But don’t get mad at me for hanging around okay?”  “Because I’m not giving up, I’ve got loads of time.”  “You shouldn’t waste it on me,” I said, though I wanted him to.  “It’s what I want to do, as long as you still like to be with me.”  “I can’t imagine how I could not like being with you.”  “I can live with that.”  “Just don’t expect more.”  

See the flip flopping, and back peddling? Also actions speak louder than words. Bella can say no all she wants, while no means no in every sense of the word, she constantly displays a constant need for Jacob.  And Jacob, already head over heels in love with Bella, is desperate for any form of company and affection she will give him. 

I’ve had enough of this chapter, I’m sure you all have loads to comment on And I’m sure you all will tell me if you disagree with all of my assumptions lol

P.S. I really appreciate you all who continue to follow me through these chapters.  No we may not agree on every aspect of the saga, and there are tons of us on this site commenting, I still consider us a close knit bunch, and I enjoy reading your comments one by one. After all its because of you that I continue to do this daily.   Even though some chapters aren’t  as action packed as the others, we all know what is soon to come!

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  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    10?
    OK, there are some awesome and painful quotes in this chapter. First, Bella’s description of being without Edward. SM manages to convey Bella’s emotions so well, you feel like you are feeling them along with her: “I was like a lost moon – my planet destroyed in some cataclysmic, disaster-movie scenario of desolation – that continued, nevertheless, to circle in a tight little orbit around the empty space left behind, ignoring the laws of gravity.” Ugh!

    Poor Jake –Valentine’s Day was so cute on his part – his patience and gentle persistence really are quite charming in this chapter. And then, Mike, meeting up with Jake again – the macho men sizing each other up was funny… especially given Jacob’s size – some well-need lightness!

    Jacob is very perceptive – his comment to Mike that Bella doesn’t like music was a gentle reminder of that, as was his carefulness in not using Edward’s name. He sees so much about Bella that everyone else misses.

    At the theatre, the boys with their hands on the arms of their seats – too funny.

    Their conversation in the theatre – Jacob was so very gentle, yet honest – hopeful, yet realistic. I felt for Bella, because I could understand her desire not to hurt him, but her need for him at the same time, and her recognition that her needs was so different from his.

    Bella’s thoughts about Jacob are so very well described – SM paints a clear mental image: “How could I explain so that he would understand? I was an empty shell. Like a vacant house – condemned – for months I’d been utterly uninhabitable. Now I was a little improved. The front room was in better repair. But that was all – just the one small piece. He deserved better than that – better than a one-room, falling-down-fixer-upper. No amount of investment on his part could put me back in working order.

    Yet I knew that I wouldn’t send him away, regardless. I needed him too much, and I was selfish. Maybe I could make my side more clear, so that he would know to leave me…”

    Jacob’s declaration to Bella, and her following thoughts, “It’s just that, I know how you’re unhappy a lot. And, maybe it doesn’t help anything, but I wanted you to know that I’m always here. I won’t ever let you down – I promise that you can always count on me. Wow, that does sound corny. But you know that, right? That I would never, ever hurt you?”

    “How much I wished that Jacob Black had been born my brother, my flesh-and-blood brother, so that I would have some legitimate claim on him that still left me free of any blame now. Heaven knows I had never wanted to use Jacob, but I couldn’t help but interpret the guilt I felt now to mean that I had.

    Even more, I had never meant to love him. One thing I truly knew – knew it in the pit of my stomach, in the center of my bones, knew it from the crown of my head to the soles of my feet, knew it deep in my empty chest – was how love gave someone the power to break you.

    I’d been broken beyond repair.

    But I needed Jacob now, needed him like a drug. I’d used him as a crutch for too long, and I was in deeper than I’d planned to go with anyone again. Now I couldn’t bear form him to be hurt, and I couldn’t keep from hurting him, either. He thought time and patience would change me, and, though I knew he was dead wrong, I also knew that I would let him try.

    He was my best friend. I would always love him, and it would never, ever be enough.”

    OK, I have to be honest. I have a hard time with Billy in these few chapters. First, we see how Billy reacts to Jake`s nervousness about Sam Uley and the gang. Jacob is scared and confused, and Billy just seems to brush him off. Then, Bella is worried about her friend, and Billy seems to just shut her down every time. I know he’s trying to deal with a lot, and can’t tell her anything, but I just get so mad and frustrated with him!

    This last conversation with Jacob truly broke my heart. The first time I read it, I had no idea what was coming, of course. But in subsequent reads, you can see SO much in here!
    His comment that he feels horrible is far beyond what Bella meant. Yet in the next sentence, he tells her he’s glad he went to the movie with her. When he says, “Everything, every part of me hurts.” – there is so much meaning in that, and Bella had no clue, but it just cries out to me – not just physical hurt, but emotional hurt, too. The knowledge that he can’t tell her, that he’s different, that he will always be different and alone in so many ways – I can’t even begin to imagine. His last word to her, “Bella,”, and then he is gone… My heart really starts to break for Jacob at this point. He didn’t ask for this. He is willing to accept “just” friendship from Bella, and in the same night he declares his feelings for her, everything is ripped away and turned upside down. Unbelievable. And heartbreaking in so many ways.
  • Here, here!! *raises glass*

    Awesome analysis of the chapter my friend. The movie theater scene is so my favorite here. Mike Newton definitely brings in some much needed slapstick humor. Right in the middle of Bella's world about to be turned upside down, we get to laugh at Mike's vomit lol. Priceless.

    *sighs* But, sadly this is the last chapter where we have pre-transformation thoughtful wonderful Jake. *makes sad face* So I read this chapter with that in mind this time. I will miss "my Jake." Farewell.
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    yeah - he's never the same after, and that makes me sad...
  • I do have to say though that this read through (probably because I'm reading the book so slowly this time) I am not as frustrated with Jake as I usually am when I read this book. I'm a couple chapters ahead and am now in the post-transformation chapters before Bella finds out and I still find myself feeling sorry for the boy. I think I'm finally looking at Jake the way SM wanted us to.
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    I completely agree with you. Usually I'm done this book in 1-2 days. Because I'm taking the time to stop and think about each chapter, it's really changing things for me. I'm still Team Edward, but I really feel for Jake. You nailed it! ;)
  • Tiffys17
    Ur so right!!!!
    I feel the same way about Jake, Steph was right, he is kinda awesome
    Great comments
  • BooTay aka HOTGUY w/ UNICORN
    I think this chapter is a huge reason why many of us jumped ships to Team Jacob because we were able to emphatize with his pain. It's not the same pain Bella goes thru because Edward just pretty much leaves and is nowhere around, whereas for Jacob...Bella is always THERE, but not ever really there...and she is constantly NEEDING the poor boy who wants to give her the world, but she only takes what she needs. I think I jumped ship because I knew Jacob was never going to have Bella. Everyone knew it, even Jake, but he never gave up. D@mn, what I'd give to have a guy want me that much!!!!! Dayyyummmm!
  • Agreed. Jacob's pain is more real to the readers than Edwards. Edward is just so much more emotionally advanced than we are that it is sometimes hard to understand where he's coming from.
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    I agree with what your saying... I also feel for Jacob, because he has this forced on him. He's such a happy go lucky guy, and then BAM, he discovers things he never knew, and Bella is there, and he doesn't even have a private place in his head anymore... yeah.
  • runwiththepack
    *stands up and claps* LADY...i think u win a award...ur quotes sums up the chapter & beginning of their relationship & ur comment is opinionated not rude.
    yes, this chapter is a great example of how NONE of them asked for this. and unfortunately its love. jake wanted to be whatever bella needed him to be but unfortunately he fell in love & the same w/ bella she knew she shouldnt have led him on but she also knew she needed him and at the time she didnt realize it was love & this chapter just demonstrates how none of them (including edward) realized how far love could push an individual. BRAVO!
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    *blushes* why, thank you! I think you should get an award for bestest longest sentence EVER! ;)
  • runwiththepack
    LMAO! omgosh there is no period! hahahaaha why thank u! *takes my award happily*.
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    LMAO - I thought it was hilarious.... *scrolls back up to admire* awww... you edited it! *pouts* you're no fun!! :(
  • runwiththepack
    Hahaha I'm truly sorry!! That was great observation on ur part! I became so intense about ur comment! It's so great!
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    don't be sorry, you totally made me LOL - which, with the kind of work day I was having, I SO needed!!
  • runwiththepack
    LOL I'm glad I could help a fellow twifamily/friend haha:-).
  • vampdazzle
    WOW! I love your comment! and although is so sad I feel much better re-reading NM again with all of you! and I also love the quotes that you wrote especially these ones:“I was like a lost moon – my planet destroyed in some cataclysmic, disaster-movie scenario of desolation – that continued, nevertheless, to circle in a tight little orbit around the empty space left behind, ignoring the laws of gravity.” (and I couldnt help thinking of the song 'satellite heart' when i was reading this page ).

    And also:“It’s just that, I know how you’re unhappy a lot. And, maybe it doesn’t help anything, but I wanted you to know that I’m always here. I won’t ever let you down – I promise that you can always count on me. Wow, that does sound corny. But you know that, right? That I would never, ever hurt you?” (with the song 'fix you' by cold play and I know is not in the soundtrack but every time i hear it I can't help think of Jake ahh so sad)...
    These other quote is so :,, ( "But I needed Jacob now, needed him like a drug. I’d used him as a crutch for too long, and I was in deeper than I’d planned to go with anyone again. Now I couldn’t bear form him to be hurt, and I couldn’t keep from hurting him, either. He thought time and patience would change me, and, though I knew he was dead wrong, I also knew that I would let him try".
    when I was reading this part I was like 'noo Bella you are going to hurt Jake so bad, don't let him try, STOP RIGHT NOW'! listening to the song 'breathe me' by sia, I don't know why but I think that song is so Bella at this point, and then I found this video with that song and a New Moon theme and I was like thats it!:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U10nbG_H1j8 But anyway I could talk about forever, but thanks Snowyhedwig for sharing, it's really nice to have all af you guys to talk this with! : )
  • Riss<3Twilight-TeamBELLA
    Breath Me will forever be my Bella/Jacob song. It about brings me to tears everytime I hear it. The more I listen to it, and read New Moon.. the more I realize that Bella truley did love Jacob. However, she was right... she was so broken down and ruined beyond repair that she could never be good enough for him. On top of that, she was still irrevocably attached to Edward in an unnatural, beyond this world destiny. She could have never fully given herself to Jacob. Bella was always meant to be Edward's, and he was always meant to be Bella's.
  • vampdazzle
    'Bella was always meant to be Edward's, and he was always meant to be Bella's.' awww! could not say it better and yes Breath Me is heart breaking, and even though I felt sorry for Jake, no one coul deny the fact of E/B beyond natural love for each other! COME ON NOV 20TH COME FASTER! sorry it's just reading it makes me want the movie faster, but hey you shoul check the vid I found with this song on, I posted above, is sad but good:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U10nbG_H1j8
  • Riss<3Twilight-TeamBELLA
    Thank you:)

    That's the video I watch when I want to listen to that song! :)
  • vampdazzle
    you're welcome ; )
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    Very nicely said!
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    I like getting everyone's perspectives, too - it really changes things up. I'll have to look at the video when I get home. Coldplay's Fix You - I feel the same way about it!
  • vampdazzle
    yes and your comment was spot on! sometimes I feel like in the movie 'The Jane Austen's book club" (which by the way I happend to love even though my friends make fun of me), mmmh? I wonder if there will ever be a movie made called 'The wonderful and beautiful SM's Twilight SAga Book club' and maybe we can be in it LOL : )
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    ROFL... ooh! ooh! can I be Snowy? :D
  • vampdazzle
    LOL! sure! and maybe we can hire Rob to play the part of the guy in the club, I forgot his name shoot! I was distracted by your avi, but yeah won't that be the dream cast! LOL : )
  • BooTay aka HOTGUY w/ UNICORN
    Yup, everytime I hear Coldplay's "Fix You" I think of how Jake tried so hard for Bella, and yet it was never good enough and I almost cry. D@mn you Bella, lol. Why you gotta use my boy like that?!!! :-P
  • vampdazzle
    I know I actually thought that the song was going to be in the NM soundtrack but oh well! the NM soundtrack is still kick a** ; ) LOL
  • Wolfi ♥(TEAM BAD@SS LEAH)♥ ♥
    WOW...ok now that i finally become brave and read it!!

    your soo right 100% of what you have written is soo true..especially the last part!..JAcob declaring his love for Bella but he accepts friendship cause he knows she is too broken to give him anything, he accepts that but he wont give up, he will always be there waiting in the wings when she is finally ready to accept him whole...but he also knows this will probly never happen..!!

    and billy didn;t handle this soo well, and turning bella down like that..he knows how badly she was, and accepting JAcob and letting him in her heart was hard after what happened with E..but then to be stripped of that aswell without any explanation am suprised she did do away with herself..Billy could have handled that soo much better!!..am glad Jacob was brave and loyal enough to NOT break his promise to bella!!...
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    Yeah I just felt like he was brushing her off. Maybe it's because he sees that Jacob will end up hurt with her?
  • Wolfi ♥(TEAM BAD@SS LEAH)♥ ♥
    WOW..that is ALOT ALOT of writing!!!!

    ALOT!!.....NICE!!....
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    lol - yeah, I get carried away... :)
  • ancha85
    Awesome, though!
  • Sparks_TeamPellan
    Holy hale... Did you just type that out or did you copy & paste... Because that was fast!! Lol
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    I am such a keener... I review each chapter every night, and write waaaay to much... trust me, this is the edited version...
    *sigh* I SO need a life! :D
  • RobPattz_Wifey
    Same here! I wish I could get paid for the amount of time i spend on this whole Saga. I'd be VERY well off by this point.
  • Riss<3Twilight-TeamBELLA
    I've never thought of it that way... now that I have, it's so miserably true for me. lol
  • RobPattz_Wifey
    *pats Riss on the back*

    There, there Riss. It'll be ok.....it'll all be over way too soon. What do we have? Just another year and a half to 2yrs to stretch this saga out? Oh my *claps hands over mouth*

    Thats it? So short a time before it all ends? What the hale are we all gonna do after this? What else is going to make me this enthusiastic and happy about life???

    *places head between knees to help hyperventilation*

    I think im gonna die.....
  • Riss<3Twilight-TeamBELLA
    *brings knees to chest and cuddles next to Wifey*

    Why'd you go there? *sobs* You just hadddd to go there.. of all places. That's worst than these stupid, overly pimped out commercials!!
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    *gasp* oh HALE, why did you have to show me the time line I was trying so hard to ignore? It's not gonna end. I will destroy every calendar and clock if necessary. It will NOT end.
    *sniff* dammit, you made me cry! *curls up next to wifey & Riss* I can't find my happy place anymore! :(
  • RobPattz_Wifey
    No No NO !!!! We will find a happy place!!! We must.....DENIAL is the cure....There will BE NO END!
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    who ever thought I'd want to stop time when thinking about Twilight?!
    *starts chanting with wifey* there will BE NO END!!
  • BooTay aka HOTGUY w/ UNICORN
    most of us would probably be billionaires, hehehe
  • RobismySL_ TeamPatzz&Stewy
    Good Lord.. That's a long comment!!!! =) Now...... I'm going to read it.. Lol
  • i know right? lol im gonna read it while i eat my cake!
  • RobismySL_ TeamPatzz&Stewy
    Cake.. I have a red velvet cake in my refrigerator, I think I'm going to eat a piece. Thank you for reminding me, I forgot about it! lol
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    you have cake? mmmmm.... yeah, that just made the toast I had for lunch today look like crap.... :D
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    *snort* are you sure you're not going to run away in fear at my mini-novel? I SWEAR I edited it down last night! There were just some awesome quotes that I really wanted to point out... I feel like I'm back in school, writing essays! LMAO
  • RobismySL_ TeamPatzz&Stewy
    I did not run away.. Edited it down??? my goodness woman! Hahaha.

    (Even more, I had never meant to love him. One thing I truly knew – knew it in the pit of my stomach, in the center of my bones, knew it from the crown of my head to the soles of my feet, knew it deep in my empty chest – was how love gave someone the power to break you.)
    I'm glad you quoted this, it is one of my favorite quotes in the book. Just thought i'd share that.

    And I got so pissed with Billy too, when he brushed Bella off..Didn't tell her a freaking thing! *slams fist on table*..

    Oh yes, those tedious school writing essays. Lol. I was fairly good in English, I somewhat enjoyed the essays..It's the Math that made me want to stab myself with a pencil.
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    *snort* I hear ya... so how I ended up in banking is ANYBODY'S guess... ROFL
  • RobismySL_ TeamPatzz&Stewy
    Lol. That's usually how it happens.
  • WannaStayInForks
    Are you, like, the world's fastest typer? haha! I agree...WTH Billy? I am loving this book this time. This is only my second time reading it, but the first time I was bitter. This time I get it and I love the SM wrote it. So sad...
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    LOL - I do type fast, but nope, I'm a quick copy & paster... ;)
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    oh, and EMC, I agree with everything you said, too... ;)
  • TeamVampiresWearGucciSuits
    *cheers*
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    *bows* thanks!
  • TeamRotation (Meg1)
    Beautiful. :)
  • EdwardForSure
    Wow, that was GREAT! I was going to write a really long comment myself about this chapter, but you said it all. And more.

    And I, too, say farewell to this side of Jacob. He really changes after this.
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    aww, sorry to steal your thunder! Yeah. Jake is never the same after this. How could he be? It's sad, really, because SM makes such a point of Bella talkinga bout how light-hearted and cheerful and genuinely HAPPY he is before the transormation...
  • EdwardForSure
    So true! That's what really breaks my heart, to see how much he changes.. It's just not fair to Jake, he's such a good guy!! But of course, in BD his life gets a lot better. It's great that he gets a happy ending as well as the others :)
  • Beverly
    First of all, I think this community re-read is AWESOME!!! I listen to my New Moon audio book while at work, and I can't tell you how many emotions it stirs up throughout my day! Come on Nov. 20th!! Woo hoo!!

    To Snowyhedwig: Thank you for your wonderful comments! You mentioned all the parts that totally touch me every time i read this book! This chapter is so great because it gets the ball rolling. I love how Jacob has the guts to express his love for Bella. He has so much courage that I think we all should have - the courage to share our feelings whether or not we know the outcome... If you don't take risks, you'll never know what could be...

    Team Jacob!! (Yes, Bella and Edward belong together, but you can't deny that Jacob is such a great character - he is totally needed in this saga... Thank you Stephenie Meyer!)
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    *blushes* why thank you! you need to get registered on here, darlin', we have so much fun!
    Very good point - while Jacob is fighting a lost cause, at least he IS fighting for what he feels... a lot more than many people can say. And I agree, he is needed in this saga. Even though I'm Team Edward, it is completely true. Jake NEEDS to be there. ;)
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    Ahhh!!!
    I LOVE this chapter!!

    Jake: *handing popcorn bucket to Newton* Please...

    LOL That simple word said it all... LOL I love it!!

    Again Mrs. E... I F'ing AGREE with you woman!! I think Jake set himself up for heartbreak =(
    Sad to say but its TRUE... he had to learn to let go AND Bella had to learn as well... this just lead to the heartbreak of the THREE of them: Jake, Bella and EDWARD...
    *sighs*
  • ancha85
    Yes, he was setting himself up for heartbreak, but he KNEW that Bella really did feel something for him, or he wouldn't have kept on trying.
    Like you say, actions speak louder than words, and Bella CLEARLY feels more than friendship for Jake already. Jake is very intuitive when it comes to Bella (Edward even says he understands her better than Edward does in BD), so he knows he has hope. Especially since Edward has left her and is not in the picture.
    Jake knows that Bella is in denial to herself, and holding on to her depression and sadness for dear life because she doesn't want to forget Edward.
    (poor Bella, poor Jacob, poor Edward, poor EVERYBODY!)
    Jake is a basically very optimistic person. He has hope so he doesn't give up, and Bella is in denial about her true feelings for him.
    Yes, of course she loves Edward most, but her feelings for Jake are quite strong and NOT just friendship. He would be perfect for her outside of the supernatural world. He just can't compete with a supernatural Eclipse, which is Bella's and Edward's passion and devotion for each other.
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    Oh I hear you girl!!
    I was NOT saying that Jake was the one at fault... no no no!! I stated that Bella was also at fault for not being honest with her feelings at that point BUT who can blame her? The girl had was going through terrible heartbreak... she was a mess both inside and out! Im not sure if you've ever had your heart broken, but you should know how a girl suffers through this and what a confusing time it is for her!! Jake was a sweetheart for being there for her and helping her out but one HAS to be honest with themselves and know when to give up and let go before we end up hurting ourselves.. thats just the way it goes!

    POOR EVERYBODY is RIGHT!! Everybody suffered because of this... BUT as we all know.. it ended WELL.. so lets not dwell on the painful memories when we know that happiness will prevail =)
  • ancha85
    Couldn't agree with you more!
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    *sigh* just a few more days of poop and then we can get on to the good stuff... woohoo! ;)
    "happiness will prevail" - gonna frame that, I think...
    It's nice to re-read it... the first time just about killed me, but after a few re-reads, I'm OK, cuz, like you said, happiness will prevail.
    That first time, though? Yeah, that's not what I was saying at this point! :D
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    Tee hee.. frame it woman.. its my freaken motto for the Saga =P

    Yes, NM still kills me everytime I re-read it... I cant help it.. Im a weaklink!!
  • RobPattz_Wifey
    I totally agree with the assessment of this chapter as well.

    I will say that I don't think Jake would have stopped hanging around Bella if she had been more assertive and FIRMLY HONEST of wanting to remain just friends and making a clearer effort to let Jake know of her discomfort with the Blurred lines of their relationship (when it comes to his actions...the displays of affection.)

    She proceeds to pull away from his arm around her shoulder and he grabs her hand--she totally lets him keep her hand and that gives off a signal that says [I say no, but I mean yes] no means no, yes, but she does a poor job of acting on her disinterest of having more than a platonic friendship with Jake. She totally feeds his attraction and romantic feelings for her, starting here. Sometimes the truth needs to be omitted. She said too much. She did not have to go into all the things she did, these things Jake (in my opinion) perceived as an open window and reason to keep trying. When I say this I am speaking of her rebuttal “I can’t imagine how I could not like being with you”. Really I know Bella told him not to expect more, but I feel her tone did not reinforce true meaning behind it. I think her delivery totally manifested the fuel behind Jake’s Fire.

    She could have been strong and shut him down. If she wanted to be “honest” she needed to tell him :

    look, I hang around you because you are my friend and you take me out of my dark place that I so often dwell in bc of this broken heart. I am closer to you than all the other friends I have and you are like a brother to me (something like that) I like you as a friend and a friend only and I need you to respect that. I need you to not complicate the nature of our relationship. Your annoying persistence will complicate things and I don’t want to blur the lines and I don’t appreciate being put in uncomfortable situations, especially from someone who is suppose to be my friend.

    I think Bella needed to be woman enough to tell him that she wants to be friends and understands if his romantic interest in her is going to make JUST being her friend difficult for him and that she understands if he feels he should distance himself, although she doesn’t really want him to.

    I would say at this point in the story, her feelings for Jake ARE just feelings of friendship and nothing more. I think that DOES change in future chapters. Jake was being optimistic and rightfully so, bc as I said Bella gave him the impression w/her actions that his behavior would be welcomed. He had hope, she provided it.
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    Whoa!!
    You said it girl... I cant get into it very well because Im being a bad girl in class and commenting here....
    *looks around for professor*


    But I totes agree with you!! This lead to so much heartbreak.. like I told the other commenter... they BOTH ruined it for each other.. it was a time of confusion and denial which lead to... =(
  • RobPattz_Wifey
    Perfectly Said! Ceci Both ppl played a HUGE part in the heartbreak, but I think Bella SO had more responsibility in which let to Jake's Overconfidence.
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    BOTH were at fault=The End
  • LWNV (ready to FURSPLODE!)
    VERY NICE!

    And lets face it, girls mature faster than boys. AND Bella is older. AND this is before Jake has the added responsibility of being a wolf. As the older person (mentally and physically at this point) Bella needed to tell him he is like a younger brother - that would have allowed for continued contact but no romance.

    BUT NO Selfish Bella couldn't bring herself to do that and did indeed No means yes/maybe him all along. The boy read the signs right. Still can't fault Jake at this point....

    GOOD JOB! I agree with you! (*wink*)

    As for poor Mike, well... HEY he was all over Bella - Why didn't she get sick?
  • RobPattz_Wifey
    LOL....YAY

    *Hugs LWNV*

    Yes Selfish Selfish Bella indeed. She really is the source of all the heartbreak. She admitted that she was being selfish during this exchange too.

    Oh and Mike did get her sick, when she gets home that night she hurles in the bathroom....it was like a 48 hour stomach bug or something. Haven't you been re-reading these chapter girlie? lol
  • LWNV (ready to FURSPLODE!)
    LOL I just re-read that!

    I think I am over sensitive due to all H1N1 that is taking everyone FOREVER to get over! LOl

    Sorry!
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    *sigh* LWNV, are you still in denial about these in-between chapters? Bella did get sick and she thought that Jake did as well... ;)
  • LWNV (ready to FURSPLODE!)
    LOL Apparently just still in denial about Bella! I just re-read that.

    (No excuse, but seriously over stressed at work - that's why I have been commenting on here - I had a feeling I miss something important! - NOT that Bella getting sick is THAT important... LOL)
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    LOL - I can appreciate that... office appears to be going to HALE in a handbasket around me, nnm.org is my stress valve... ;)

    *gasp* Bella's health is not of paramount importance to you? ;)
  • LWNV (ready to FURSPLODE!)
    LOL Honestly - I felt bad for Eddie and Jake when she dies giving birth and could have cared less if she lived. She just rubbed me the wrong way constantly stringing those 2 along...

    BTW have read the the FF about Cederic on the MEdicine Wheel? YOU would love it! I couldn't stop reading. It took me 3 days to read the equivalent to the Goblet of Fire... COULDN'T STOP until 1:30 AM last night...
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    ?! I haven't heard about THAT one... hmmm... must add to my list.... ;)

    I appreciate what you're saying about Bella... although, having almost lost one to miscarriage, I can also see Bella's POV - I would have done anything to save the baby, if possible... (thank goodness she was OK!) - so I'm a little more sympathetic towards her on that front. But continually strinign them along... yeah, I get frustrated.
  • LWNV (ready to FURSPLODE!)
    I do sympathize with her on wanting to keep the baby. I was happy the baby was OK (I don't mean to imply anything else...) BUT Bella seriously rubs me the wrong way... often. LOL

    I do know how much the choice of mom or baby can cause havoc... My grandfather chose Mom not baby and my mom's older sister didn't make it as a result (small village in Italy WW II days - not as much medical as now and where I am now - I am so glad my Grandfather chose my grandmother - I know that is so selfish!)
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    oh, I wasn't implying you didn't care about baby at all... just that I can appreciate Bella's mindset a bit having been through something much less dramatic, albeit somewhat similar...
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    OH! And wow, that's quite the story... I don't envy your grandfather having to make that choice, but don't feel selfish... you obviously love your grandmother a lot, that's awesome! :)
  • LWNV (ready to FURSPLODE!)
    They both have awesome histories... I am 1st generation American on my mother's side.

    I am very sad they are both gone now.

    My mom did a sneaky thing and had my Aunt's unconsecrated plot (born dead = no baptism = VERY sad Nonina) dirt sent here for her burial and now it is in with her here - in consecrated ground.

    I know she would be happy about that! My family has come a long way in 2 generations from 1 meal a day to fat and lazy me... LMAO!

    PS I know you weren't implying anything with the baby remark but others read this too and I wanted to be VERY clear on that! LOL
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    LOL - I figured... heaven forbid anything get taken the wrong way... *looks around warily* :D way cool on the burial thing... sneaky, smart momma... I can see where you get it from! ;)
  • LWNV (ready to FURSPLODE!)
    He he he... Thanks!
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    Wifey, I love it! and I agree. At this point she IS just a friend... and that most certainly does change...
  • Team_Logic_vs_Love
    I am saying this as a twenty something woman year old looking to go to her ten year high school reunion soon. HIGH SCHOOL NEVER ENDS. Just like the Bowling for soup song says (my second favorite song next to "Come Back to Texas" TEXAS RULES)

    To get back to the point, we see a game that is played by everybody-No matter the age, no matter the person, no matter the situation we all at some point will play or have played this game.

    To those out there who find offense in the comment, remember that when you want something bad enough you will change to get it.

    To those of you who think that this may sound harsh. Jake, a guy, wants her, and she is too broken to love him the way he loves her, but she is in the wrong too, because she is sending him mixed signals by always hanging around and not forcibly punishing him when he makes a move. She sees comfort, and he mistakes her friendship for love.

    He peruses her, because he thinks he can change her mind, but he can't. Guys don't take subtle hints well or even in this case-enormous, blatant hints well.

    So, in conclusion, it is both their faults.
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    Hi5... well said!!
    That's what I was trying to say. Im sure a lot of ppl dont agree but that's ok; we each perceived the chapters as our hearts led us to feel/believe!!
    *shrugs*
    Life sucks and then you die-Jake
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    LOL - that's got to be my favourite chapter title... ;)
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    I know, huh!?!?
    Jake... funny dude!
  • Riss<3Twilight-TeamBELLA
    I agree... but I also think that Bella DID love Jacob. However, there were so many things inside of her broken that she never noticed it. After Edward comes back, those pieces were put back together again... and the love she had for Jacob abruptly surfaced. Although, the love she has for him could never compare to Edward.


    After re-reading this book, that's how I've grown to interpret it.
  • EdwardsSpidermonkey
    Ceci! i luv that part too! lol
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    OF COURSE you DO dork!!
    *giggles*
    I LOVE "seeing" you here... you should comment more!!!
  • EdwardsSpidermonkey
    I'm slowly commenting more lol it does get kinda addicting.
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    *sing song voice*
    I told ya!!
    Its fun and more while in class... LOL
  • EdwardsSpidermonkey
    yea its prolly da only way id be able to stay awake in dat history class lol
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    LOL
    I know!! You just gave me a great idea.. but I dont want to carry my laptop with me the entire day... hmm... eeeekk
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    yup, I love that - it was some much needed lightness in the chapter... along with the whole hands on the arms of the chairs thing... LOL
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    YES.. that was hilarious too.. I wanted to smack BOTH of their arms lol!!!
    Bella folded her arms across her chest=EPIC WIN!! Buahah suckas!!!
  • SnowyHedwig <3 NM, hate MR
    I'm looking forward to seeing that on the big screen... :D
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    I KNOW!!
    Me too.... its gonna be awesome =P
  • I'm telling you this is some sad stuff!
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    It IS!! Boy it is... but New Moon is the seed of it all for the Saga.. without, I dont think the Saga could have gone on..
    *sniff*
  • Kimberlina Dirty Pirate Hooker
    Agree with you about Jake...he knows in this chapter that she's not available but he keeps pushing anyway...tsk tsk!
  • TheLionFellIn<3W/Ceci-ROBECI
    =(
    I know... it was the foreshadowing of heart break!
  • LoveTheVamps
    I love this Chapter...and if most us (me including) would focus on how Bella truly believes that Edward is gone FOREVER.. why not hold on to whatever relief she is getting from Jacob.

    Jacob knows that she is "damaged goods" and he is willing to wait for her to be ready... (little did they both know that Edward would be back in Bella's life)...

    I personally, love this Chapter and though I am soo Team Edward...this Chapter sometimes makes me want to convert.. Jacob is what I would want in a friend (can't say lover_ since he is Jail Bait - HA HA.. ohhh February can't get here soon enough)

    But this is also when Bella knows that she is starting to "fall for Jacob" - it would be easy to do if it wasn't because she was so hurt by Edward and holding out for him.
  • DDB_DazzledByRob
    I love that Jacob is so confident, but I have to admit that I really don't like Bella in this chapter. For example when she says: ''But I was trying to think of some way to make the boundaries clear. Again. They seemed to get blurred a lot with Jacob''. I mean jeez Bella, why do you think the boundaries get blurred a lot! It's not Jake's fault! And when she says that she would like him to come to the movies with her, with her friends there...
    ''Then again,'' Jacob said thoughtfully, ''sometimes persistence pays off.'' Bella could have said something to discourage Jacob right there...
    Sometimes I just wanna hit Bella and say: STOP hurting Jacob!!, DON'T be selfish!!, think about what your words and actions mean to him instead of doing and saying what you want...I'm gonna stop now because I'm getting mad, need to calm down...*takes deep breath*
  • MilkWay_gao
    Couldnt agree more with you.... Someone needs to slap Bella upside her head... Ugh*
  • DDB_DazzledByRob
    I'm glad you agree...When I was typing that I was like ''Í hope I won't get attacked by an angry mob for saying this''..lol
  • lol i been attacked, still mending my battle scars lol
  • *passing you some water*
  • WannaStayInForks
    STILL NO PICS! HELP!!!!
  • Sparks_TeamPellan
    Lol Calm down dear.. I expect the servers being slow. :)
    Congrats on first :)
  • WannaStayInForks
    thanks! I am freaking out a little! LOL! I wanna see zippers...
  • TwiGuy_4_Life
    o my god i am so annoyed right now. I really wanted to be first and just when the post went up... my internet crashed :( i hate irish broadband services!!!! Sorry, i just had to get that off my chest, congrats
  • WannaStayInForks
    That sucky, but thanks!
  • Casizzle
    This could sound really weird. I was wondering how old you are? Not a creeper just wondering.
  • TwiGuy_4_Life
    not a creeper... sure. just joking! im 15, why? did you think i was some creepy twilight obsessed middle-aged man who spends his days trying to be the first to comment on a post about new moon?
  • Casizzle
    lol I have just been on a mission to find a twiguy close to my age. I’m 16. :-D plus I saw you were from Ireland and I love that whole region, Ireland, Scotland, and England. :-)
  • crazy4cullens*RollingRockRob
    Yeah I haven't been able to see any pictures all day either. Only videos are showing up.
  • miranda [team slade brigade]
    i hated when they sat next to each other in the theater while mike was sick. murr....

    she was all like "ohhh we're getting to be such good friends and i want to be around him but nothing all romantic even though maybe he's expecting it...but still he's my ray of sunshine in this dark depressing gloom"

    i liked jake's humor and attitude in NM, a lot. and that's why i didn't want him to get hurt.

    *mumbles something about the middle part of BD under breath*
  • runwiththepack
    LMAO! ya know...i truly like u.
  • miranda [team slade brigade]
    well thank you! i like you too! seems to be we share some of the same opinions, eh?
  • runwiththepack
    Hahaha yes indeed!
  • Wolfi ♥(TEAM BAD@SS LEAH)♥ ♥
    LOL..i truly Like you too...
    you just described Bella perfectly in those few sentences!!..
  • miranda [team slade brigade]
    dawwww...

    you know i truly like you, too!

    *waves mini Team Leah flags*
  • Wolfi ♥(TEAM BAD@SS LEAH)♥ ♥
    *..puts on Team Leah outfit.. and holds huge Team Leah banner..*

    now she is the only sane girl in the saga !!!....
  • lmaooooo hilarious!
  • TeamVampiresWearGucciSuits
    Right on!

    *hits like a hundred times*
  • miranda [team slade brigade]
    you get a cyclops smile for that one!

    +)
  • runwiththepack
    2
  • runwiththepack
    2
  • WannaStayInForks
    Hi RWTP! Can you see pics?

    Edit: Was I 1st?
  • Chel/TK3* I Forking Love NM*
    5th?

    EDIT: oh yeah i'll take 5th now back to reading the post *scrolls back up page*
  • Meadow Girl
    ugghhhh...I guess it is not just me that can't see
  • RobismySL_ TeamPatzz&Stewy
    7th ???.
    Ah, Newton getting sick is one of my fav parts of NM.. Lol You seriously gotta love Newton, he's so persistent..hehe
  • Tia_jb10 (Team Pants Explode!)
    8th not counting repeats
  • EdwardsSpidermonkey
    love dis chapter, both jake and mike holding their hands out like bella wiould just hold 1 of theirs lol
  • Tia_jb10 (Team Pants Explode!)
    5th not counting repeats
  • JenX
    Yeah, what's up with the pics?
    Moving on to the story.... I do have to agree, the more times I read the story, the more angst I feel for BOTH Bella, but especially Jacob. It is mean and kind of sad to do that to him, of course, we know in the end, it all works out. But seeing and FEELING the struggle of him wanting it to be more and being willing to take whatever he can get in the hopes her stance will change, and her needing to have him around and definitely blurring the lines more than she realizes she is doing is so heartbreaking to observe. They could be friends, but quit with the hand holding, etc- can't have it both ways. She is totally using him, but at the same time, maybe it isn't using- it is her falling for him, but just not being willing to admit it because she already told herself she wouldn't fall for anyone again. She didn't believe she could, so isn't willing to admit that maybe she actually did.
  • AnnieAnde
    Oy. My heart goes out to Jacob. He is so blind... And Bella! She should've been slapped for what she's done. Blurring lines my ass!! You knew what you were doing when you did it. She knew she was giving him the wrong idea. This is where having girlfriends helps. You know if Angela were there, she'd have said WTF? Pick a side!! I understand the complexity of the feelings for Jake and the warring feelings for Edward, but damn. Jake is just sitting there like a helpless puppy just begging for scraps and she's just teasing away. Such a mess.
  • oooh Annie! Great comment!! i soo co-sign
  • lutz_of_love
    she admitted more than once that she knew she was leading him on but she knew that if she told him the thruth he would probably leave her and she was too weak to go on with out him...but she didn't think twice about leaving him to run to Edward...i feelt really bad for Jake.
  • I KNOW!!! I feel soooo bad for poor Jake in this chapter. He is just like a helpless puppy begging for Bella's affection. So desperate for her love he'll do and/or put up with anything to get it. Poor thing. Shame on you Bella... I understand that you needed him at first, but come on. Now you're just leading him on. You could still be his friend and spend time with him without letting him believe that he is getting somewhere with you. *shakes finger* shame shame shame lol
  • mAriE_(LovesFrolicking)CC-VG
    agree.. bella's a mess and she keeps on making a mess..

    i hate it when she repeatedly admits that she should've done this and done but she just doesnt. and poor jake.. getting his hopes up bcoz of the mixed signal bella's giving her.

    and she's wondering where jake gets his confidence about making moves on her? pfft. thats crap. she knows better but she did the wrong thing. again.

    *sigh*

    i feel for bella but wow. most of the time, she just pisses me off. especially in eclipse.

    oh dont get me even started on that one. yikes! ^_^
  • vampdazzle
    you are right dead on! and *sighs* that is just the beggining of all the trouble and heart breaking, I have to admit that at some points Bella's actions drove me to the edge, I wanted to be like: 'hey missy don't you see your hurting Jake and Edward( Eclipse, I know we are not there yet, sorry, but this just brought back the bad memory of Bella throwing hersel at Edward after kissing Jake outside the tent and after a few hours of getting engaged with Edward aghhh!) *takes a deep breath* *glares at Bella* anyway Annie I know what you mean! he he he : )
  • Name
    I agree with you on that we haven't even got to that book yet and this chapter is nothing compared to the disgust I felt for Bella in Eclipse. apart of me wanted Bella to choose Jacob in the end after what we find out cause he would have hurt her in the end. After the transformation and not imprinting on Bella that left the cap wide open for him to imprint on someone else and Bella would have been left in the dog house good for her servers her right. But we all know Edward would have been there waiting in the wings he said so himself in Eclipse.
  • vampdazzle
    Yes New Moon was hard for me to read, but Eclipse was... excrutianting (did I spell that right? LOL) anyway, yeah I mean I love Bella but some times during Eclipse mostly I felt soo bad for Edward and for Jake too, and I don't know if I'm going to be able to stand watching it on the big screen!!!!
  • TeamRotation (Meg1)
    Well said!

    Though I'm starting to think maybe she was falling a little for Jake at this point already, so maybe that's why it was so confusing? Either way, I felt bad for Jake.

    And in defense of Jake.. in regards to him just backing off; he thought he might have a chance. Neither of them thought Edward would be back. And if he hadn't - at least not right away - I think it's quite probable a relationship could've started between J/B.
  • JENNAA
    bella cant help it!! she needs affection coz she is so used to getting it from edward and now she needs an affectionate friend. its not like she is kissinh im. just innocent stuff like holding hands and making her feel happy - which she hasnt had in a long time.

    but i love how you say that jacob is a helpless puppy just begging for scraps !! hahahahahah hilarious! puppy = wolf
    LOL
  • Meadow Girl
    Minor Confession....

    I have totally bailed on reading...after I got through the heartbreak and the endless sobs (that filled my room at night and kept my hubbie awake)

    Thx MrsEC...for keeping this post going!!
  • aww thnx for being here, meadow girl how appropriate, your chapter is next!
  • Meadow Girl
    I KNOW....there are good meadow scenes throughout...so many reasons for the name!!

    :)
  • lutz_of_love
    i think this chapter really shows how much jake loves bella... i get the love story but even Kristen agrees that she should have been with jake......oh to be Bella and have TWO hot, loving, sweet guys wanting me.. i guess thats why its a book huh?
  • that's how u kno its fiction w/ so many hot guys running round half naked and both of the hottest guys want u. i wished i was bella so i could pick...
  • lutz_of_love
    Yeah i would pick Edwards BIG bother! LOL but that would turn into Jerry Springer! LOL
  • Riss<3Twilight-TeamBELLA
    Yes.. she says she should have been with Jake.. and Bella says it too in Eclipse.
    However, Kristen does not say she should have PICKED Jake. She said that she thinks
    Bella did the right thing to follow her heart. Edward and Bella's desitnies are intertwined
    the moment they let themselves go in Twilight. They were forever changed.
  • loved this chapter. i loved how jake kept talkin bout mike and how mike and bella would never make a good couple. mike puking...hahaha
    jacob getting sick...bella puking...

    but was still sad that bella was still in love w/ edward and jacob was trying so hard to get her to love him
  • Chel/TK3* I Forking Love NM*
    I'm torn between feeling REALLY sorry for Jake in this chapter or just wanting to smack the heck out of him and tell him to cop on
    *grabs megaphone*
    Testing testing is this thing on *clears throat* SHE DOESN'T LOVE YOU LIKE THAT AND SHE NEVER WILL YOU'RE NOT EDWARD!!!!!!!!

    Sorry bout that my rant is over!!!!!!
  • LOVESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS IT!!!!
  • BiteMe. Team SexyAudiDriver
    I love your summaries of the chapters!! Thanks!! :)
    They're so thorough.
  • thank you so much!
  • Chel/TK3* I Forking Love NM*
    *curtsies* Why thank you MRS EC
    Most importantly thanks for doing these posts they're keeping me from looking at the spoilers and clips
  • ahh the curtsies i fell in church one time while doing that lol
  • Chel/TK3* I Forking Love NM*
    LMAO!!!!
    I only curtsy for the very best *smiles sheepishly*
  • Wolfi ♥(TEAM BAD@SS LEAH)♥ ♥
    okay lets start reading!!..i like what she said..it was a bit sad..very dramatic..thats some huge heart break

    I was like a lost moon—my planet destroyed in some cataclysmic, disaster-movie scenario of desolation—that continued, nevertheless, to circle in a tight little orbit around the empty space left behind, ignoring the laws of gravity.
    Bella Swan, New Moon,

    As long as you like me the best. And you think I’m good-looking—sort of. I’m prepared to be annoyingly persistent.
    Jacob Black, New Moon

    ahh JAcob he doesnt give up easily now does he!!...very persistent..but atleast he knows what he wants and he is willing to do anything to get it..and he wont give up..and he didnt untill bella told him in Eclipse!!...
    Edward wanted bella but he was finding excuses to not have her!..silly man be more like Jacob once in a while!!
  • TeamVampiresWearGucciSuits
    hits "play"... Satellite Heart
  • Wolfi ♥(TEAM BAD@SS LEAH)♥ ♥
    LOL..perfect song for this chapter!!!...
  • Carpediemtoday
    I know... I was screaming at the self loathing that Edward always seems to project. Although, I know taht Edward is confident, he can be a bit too much some time. Always thinking the worst of himself or that he doesn't deserve the best that this world has to offer him. That is what broke my heart about this chapter, that Jacob always felt like there was a chance with him and Bella, but I dont' think that Edward ever truly felt like he DESERVED the chance he got with Bella... SAD!!! Edward and Jacob can be polar opposites sometimes and so much alike in other cases.
  • Wolfi ♥(TEAM BAD@SS LEAH)♥ ♥
    thats what made me not like Edward..his need to complicate and always look down on himself, with Jacob he doesn't have to lie..he feels what he feels and he lays it all out for Bella..he does what he says he's gonna do!, he doesnt care if he's not good enough..or if hes not old enough for her, he just knows he loves bella and he wants to be with her..all she has to is accept him..SIMPLE..Edward had to go all Romeo and juliet and complicate things for himself!!..
  • Carpediemtoday
    I know it was frustrating.... Because although i like the masochistic side of him, it was also hard to deal with particularly when Edward when Jacob really begin to pursue Bella in Eclipse.. I was like " Man up Edward!" really because Edward has such a dark side that he is always trying to hide... I mean he killed people for crying out loud, he is by no means a whimp...
  • TeamKristen(L)RumpyPumpy
    This is the chapter where i felt betrayed by Bella. It should have been more then obvious to her as well that Edward would come back. LOL. But i felt like she led him on.

    SM wrote her as saying she didn't want Jake in that way, but then when it went back to her point of view she was practically telling herself that she wanted to rumpy pumpy him all night!

    SM wrote her as moving on too quickly. Thats the only thing that bothered me as this friendship was obvious from the start that i was only going to be friendship.

    God Bella, i have no sympathy for you. *stick tongue out* LOL
  • miranda [team slade brigade]
    at least it was obvious to ME edward was coming back. i had eclipse on my book shelf just waiting for me! LOL
  • breesmom
    Me, too! (giggles!)

    Otherwise, I would have had a hard time getting through this book.
  • miranda [team slade brigade]
    i think that's why i loved eclipse so much.

    throughout this tragedy of a book i'm just looking over at eclipse on my shelf thinking to myself: just make it through, miranda, just make it through. good things are on the way! just....a little...bit.....longer.....

    LOL
  • vampdazzle
    *sticks tongue out also* : )D
  • Riss<3Twilight-TeamBELLA
    *glares at RumpyPumpy and jabs a finger at own name*


    In the words of Stewie Griffin..
    yeahhhhh, I'm watching you buddy.


    LOL
  • leahcyr
    i hated this chapter..
  • LoveTheVamps
    Why?
  • shetree88
    I could not have said this better myself. I must say, nicely put.
  • daniel_cullen
    You know I really struggled with this chapter.. At first I thought, " Bella... Its time to belly up chick"!!! But I had to go back to how SM had written her character in the past. She isn't going to change the fundamentals of any one of her characters. Sure situations may alter decision making but the core strength will remain. Here's a guy whos a couple years younger than her and who absolutely adores her. She could do no wrong... ouch.. That's hard to handle being up on a podium by herself. She didn't want to be there. She wanted a friend that could make her laugh and not care that she was having a bad day. In school you have friends that will be with you but lets face it there is a limit to their tolerance. She needed someone who had a endless amount of patience. Jacob.. But she only wanted him as a friend. She was being truthful but she was badly torn apart emotionally. She couldn't be as strong of a character as we all know; but she still made her feelings known. This is a kid that was completely smitt'n with her. He adored her and his protective side fed on her neediness.
    Billy... Oh Billy!!!!!! As a parent I want kick his a$$.. Seriously.. I understand that he was hoping someone would be able to help his emotionally destroyed daughter because he could not simply handle that train wreck anymore. I say to Billy "Grow a set buddy"!! He shouldn't have brushed her off when she had concerns with Jacob being concerned with the guys in rez.. I would like someone to shed some light on why they think he never took any of that serious. He was obviously delighted to see that she was hanging with Jacob.. He even said that it was nice to see his daughter back; but yet he completely brushes this off.. hmm.. still pondering that one.
    I am glad that this chapter seem to show Mike that he really needs to move on.. Bella was not destined for him.
  • TeamVampiresWearGucciSuits
    it's just all so melodramatic and teenage girly.
  • daniel_cullen
    In some ways yes.. But think about this..If you and yours had broke up. Do you not think if someone was interested in you that they would want to be your "friend" to lean on??? I've had someone do this for me and it obviously didn't end like this but I think of myself as very strong person...

    My point is the fundamentals are there.. People have situations like this happen to them all the time. Some are good intentions some not.
  • TeamVampiresWearGucciSuits
    I'm not judging. I was 15 and the cool boy in school broke up with me and I was heart-broken, and then I totally abused my best friend, who was totally in love with me.. and I broke his heart, and he's gay now. (TRUTH!)

    So yes, I get it. I'm just saying.. it's very teen... I'd like to think 22-year old Bella would have been a bit more mature.
  • Riss<3Twilight-TeamBELLA
    I think that every person is different.. and every person handles things just as differently. So to say that it's mature or not as mature, wouldn't exactly be fair because every one has a different opinion on what it means.

    I never went to the extremes that Bella did, but I have "fundementally" been there. Within the last year actually. (I was 21) I basically did what Bella did.
    She was emotionally destroyed, had a best friend who loved her and was constantly there for her. She told Jacob it wasn't ever going to be like that, and he said he was fine with it. Jacob wasn't going to NOT be friends with her. Especially, if it was only because she didn't want to give him the wrong idea. I don't think Bella had enough strength in her, to really push Jacob away. She did the best she could with what she was dealt with.
    Just like I did. :)
  • TeamVampiresWearGucciSuits
    I can understand it, I just still think it's immature... sorry. But like I said earlier, I'm not judging. We do what we have to. ;)
  • Riss<3Twilight-TeamBELLA
    yep.. we do what we have to do to survive.
  • BB-TeamLet'sGetDownToBusiness
    I think this is a GREAT time to post this link to Stephanie Meyer's site for her synopsis of what is going on with Jake in NM. I like how she goes a little bit in detail how Jake feels very confident the movie night. He may not have been as persistant as he normally would have been because of the of whole wolf transformation. That really did affect his determination and confidence. Here you are...

    http://www.stepheniemeyer.com/pdf/nm_extras_jac...
  • claracitti
    "You don't have to talk about it," he told me.
    I nodded, grateful.
    "But don't get mad at me for hanging around, okay?" Jacob patted the back of my hand.
    "Because I'm not giving up. I've got loads of time."
    I sighed. "You shouldn't waste it on me," I said, though I wanted him to. Especially if he was
    willing to accept me the way I was–damaged goods, as is.
    "It's what I want to do, as long as you still like to be with me."
    "I can't imagine how I could not like being with you," I told him honestly.
    Jacob beamed. "I can live with that."
    "Just don't expect more," I warned him, trying to pull my hand away. He held onto it
    obstinately.
    "This doesn't really bother you, does it?" he demanded, squeezing my fingers.
    "No," I sighed. Truthfully, it felt nice. His hand was so much warmer than mine; I always felt
    too cold these days.
    "And you don't care what he thinks." Jacob jerked his thumb toward the bathroom.
    "I guess not."
    "So what's the problem?"
    "The problem," I said, "is, that it means something different to me than it does to you."
  • NeilyAnn
    Ok i gotta agree this is the chapter that JACOB should gotten the hint and said to himself "obviously she will never love me the way she loves the bloodsucker(u know he wouldve never said edward so i had to put that)" but apparently jacob is as stuborn as Bella is... and im sorry but Bella is selfish and this is one of those chapters that i wanna yell at her and tell her "WHAT ARE U THINKIN WOMAN! dont LEAD poor Jacob on... bad Bella thats not nice!


    p.s. OME! i cant wait to hear when edward comes back in book! i miss him terribly!. lol
  • amelalias
    i completely agree with u , i have the same feelings about this chapter. i know Bella used Jake from day one that she have met him. But i hoped she will try to push him away in a different way rather than keeping him hoping when i re-read these parts i was upset about Bella's behaviour . Now for me human Jake is more acceptable than werewolf Jake, he understood her heartbreak and was more supportive.
    the things that i caught my attention in this chapter;
    1, that was Jake's last day as human
    2, he promised Bella to never leave her , which i felt was too soon from him and in a way it have affected his relationship with Bella. i felt that so many of his later actions were bound to that promise
    3,in a way Jake noticed things about Bella , the way Bella noticed things about Edward.

    after this chapter , i dont like Jake that much , his wolf genes , or his anti- vamp behaviour have made him less likeable


    ok , i will check ur next post
    thanks 4 doing this
  • no prob! :)
  • dazzledtwilighter
    I agree... Bella could have saved Jake so much heartache and pain if she stopped right then and there in the theater... HOWEVER... if she did then she would have been miserable, and not have been able to recover... there are sad quotes in this chapter, but also funny ones... my favorite one (one I hope is in the movie) is where Bella and Jake are talking and Jake give Bella the money for the tickets and she is like "Will Billy kill me if I sneak you in?" and Jake responds "No, I just told him you are corrupting my youthful innocence." We also know that Jake's transformation is starting... but technically you don't know it yet when watching/reading the first time. 16 days!
  • DaniLove89
    hehe transformation, sounds like your a mad scientist :D
  • Tiffys17
    Great Chapter, from now everything changes, and she has no clue!
    Im loving Jake this time, too bad that hes going to be a little bit diferent....

    I love re-reading New Moon With u all!!!
  • me too!!! it helps me get through all the sadness
  • Tiffys17
    Yeah!!

    U_u
  • obsessedwithedward
    This site is the only thing keeping me sane ATM! Like the rest of you I am obsessed with the anticipation of New Moon. Being able to voice my thoughts & hear all your thoughts is what has kept me going for so long. Who else can really understand why every waking (& sleeping) moment my thoughts are consumed with all things Twilight! People think that I have lost the plot! After all I am a professional, married mother of 2!! Am I insane??!!
  • Tiffys17
    I dont think ur insane. I feel the same way!
    i guess its just bcuz were dedicated fans!
    U_U
  • TeamEdward(THE_BIG_DAY!<3)
    Okay-

    'His face was thoughtful, no longer teasing. "It's still the other one, isn't it?"'
    -Jacob

    It's weird how he seems to understand everything about Bella.
  • MilkWay_gao
    yeah just like Edward....She could tell what she felt like or was thinking by looking at her and reading her expressions
  • BooTay aka HOTGUY w/ UNICORN
    you think it's because Bella is so predictable and transparent?? hehehe...I think she is at times. She's doesn't exactly start out with the most exciting personality, you have to admit that. The only reason she woke up from her boring world was that she moved to Forks and met Edward, pretty much. Otherwise, she kind of had a boring life before Forks. I know it sounds mean, but well....kinda is true.
  • MilkWay_gao
    lol i agree.... but i think they each brong something out of each other.... i mean i totally understand bella and the way she acted...and im sure at that time its what she needed but i think she is a little shady for playing with Jake's emotions.... this chapter def. maked me mad but i try to understand.... But what can i say...i LOVE this book...I feel its the foundation to everything else that is coming....Edward had to leave. Bella and Jake had to get closer... we had to see the intenseof their relationships...

    SM did an AMAZING job! They all are shady at one point but it only talks more about them and how amazing they are.
  • DaniLove89
    OH YEAH ME AND MY AVI ARE READY FOR CHAPTER 9 :]
  • obsessedwithedward
    I hope no one is offended with my interpretation of this chapter, as none is intended. I felt that I could totally understand Bella's motives for not shaking Jacob off. Jacob helpped her to deal with the fact that Edward had left her & said that he no longer wanted to be with her. Then along comes Jacob who wants nothing more than to please Bella & be with her every waking moment. Her human emotion was to clutch on to Jacob even though she knew it would hurt him, cos she was attempting to heal the huge hurt that Edward had caused. Jacob made her feel wanted & even though she knew she should break away from Jacob, her selfish part won out. The part that needed to know that she was still wanted by someone, even if it was the wrong someone. Who hasn't been in a situation were they cant relate to this!?
  • BooTay aka HOTGUY w/ UNICORN
    just so happens that someone is d@mn hottt as fire!!!! hehehe ....what girl wouldn't kill be to in her shoes!!!! Can I get a howl??? But I do get angry with Edward and Bella for the unnecessary pain Jake had to go thru....BELLA....go slap yourself and take a cold shower and get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I mean let's say Edward never ever came back ( Calm down E fans...just hypothetical), BELLA is freakin 17...it's not like she is 27 and some man married her and left her for a guy or anything. It's not the end of life and can you imagine if Bella moved on to college and life?!!!!!! EDWARD..SLAP YOURSELF for claiming you love her soooo much yet you leave her. Psshhhhhhh that's why I was pissed, hehe
  • BooTay aka HOTGUY w/ UNICORN
    This was farewell to the soooo lovable human Jacob as we knew him...the one that didn't mind being used by Bella for all he's worth....the purely loving one that still had control with no crazy rage...the patient one. This is the true Jacob we all love and miss and I think the one that Bella truly fell in love with.
  • JENNAA
    we definately know what is soon to come !!
    i like this chapter because i like any chapter that has akwardness or affection ( even though i prefer it to be between edward and bella rather than bella and jacob). bella is in a dark placce! she needs someone to cling on to and jacob is that person. she may not have been firm when telling him that she is never going ot change but at least she said she is never going to change. she told him and now its jacobs fault if (and we all know he does) he gets hurt. he has been told and now its his own fault for still being so damn persistent.

    On another note, the more and more i read new moon the less it seems to drag. The first time i read it i cried the whole way through and found that the bella-getting-close-to-jacob part went of FOREVER!! but now i find it goes so much more quicker because i know that we will see edward again soon and i can really soke up the atmosphere and energy between bella and jacob. they really are such good friends and bella doesnt have to fake being happy when around him. which is nice.

    overall i think this was a good chapter and it ended so well !!!! geez... i wonder whats wrong with jacob???? how can he still be sick ?????
    *cough WEREWOLF cough*
  • MilkWay_gao
    OMG you guys!!!!
    http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1259571/fullcredits...
    ok so i went into this website to check the cast...and i couldnt help but see Fta Boy #1, Frat Boy #2.... IM JUST WONDERING WHERE THE FRAT BOYS WILL FIT IN..... idk now my mind if all carried away.... idk what to think.... i am a lil scare...Am i overreacting????
  • BooTay aka HOTGUY w/ UNICORN
    Frat Boy? WTH....what chapter is that????? MR is goin down!!
  • I think Bella is pretty clear with Jacob about just wanting to be friends, and he's pretty clear about being willing to wait to see if that changes. One of the great things about their friendship is that they can do just that - agree to disagree. It's one thing that works with their friendship but not Bella/Edward's relationship.

    I really hope they have the Bella, Jacob, Mike at the movies scene in the film. I've been avoiding the recent trailers so I don't know it they will. It's one of my fave parts of the books because it shows that Bella actually has fun with Jacob.
  • Jeannette
    This is pretty much the last time I like Jacob for a long time. I understand that Bella is feeding into him, but she's hurt and she's not a strong character until Eclipse because I feel she's like me and isn't good at making decisions when it will hurt someone else. I do kind of get frustrated with Bella, but her behavior is much like that of an addict and Jacob, an enabler. They are both in an unhealthy relationships. DO I think Jacob was right for her all along, no. I still think that Bella belongs to Edward because no matter what, he is truly her soul mate and Jacob is the best friend that she would settle for in the long run, yes he loves her, yes she loves him, but it is not the same. Even thought people like to argue that Edward shouldn't exist and Jacob should be with Bella, I can't agree with that, I'm sorry. Because in the book, Edward DOES exist and Stephenie says their soul mates and as a creator of their universe, I believe her!! hahah
    Who's read The Host and is excited for that - HOLLERR!
  • red_sea
    Wow. I totally disagree. Bella and Jacob are the only two characters with a real relationship in the entire series. Everything else is just supernatural brainwashing.

    Bella and Edward are the addicts. He was instantly obsessed with her smell, she was instantly obsessed with his looks. They're the furthest thing from soulmates. They didn't know or care a thing about the other's souls, before they declared instant, irrevocable "love" for each other.

    Futhermore, since Edward is fully aware of the effect of vampire glamour, and that it would have the same effect on any woman, he's a pusher as well.
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